New pistol 'brace' - approved by ATF

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Carefully, which is why you implore the ATF for approval vs just making the gun mod and seeing whether you get prosecuted ;)
 
If you keep buying/shooting guns they're going to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

Doesn't make any sense either, huh?

It isn't about NOT exercising what's legal. It's about pushing and expanding boundaries VS thumbing one's nose at what may appear to be grey policy decisions in our favor; In this case regarding the SB15 wrist braces and other buffer tube covers.

It's not about touting a supposed SBR loophole. It's using varied techniques to make the legal employment of ones AR pistol fire more effective against targets.

It's using care in the phrasing of ideas and thoughts to mold perceptions and gain change. There's a time for crushing blows and a time for chipping away to change the anti-2A ideology in government. There's also a time for both on all fronts.
 
That's been out for for years. In fact it was approved before the sig brace. It's considered a cover the same as those foam covers. I have had one for over two years and have used it on my pistol builds while I waited for the SBR paperwork to come back,not needed now that my last two eforms were 30 days and 34 days.
 
I say keep going. Just like TC did. Elimate the SBR altogether could be an end result. Gain back what has been lost. Or they just change their mind and make them all illegal with a stroke of the pin, like many other ideas.
 
It's not about touting a supposed SBR loophole. It's using varied techniques to make the legal employment of ones AR pistol fire more effective against targets.

I'm so tired of the word "loophole". There's no such thing. Something is either legal, or it isn't. The Sig arm brace has been explained 1000 times. It's legal, because of what it's supposed to be used for, and they can't control people "misusing" it.
 
Why is this thread in the 'rifle' forum? c'mon, guys, at least make an effort :rolleyes:

TCB
 
I'm so tired of the word "loophole". There's no such thing. Something is either legal, or it isn't. The Sig arm brace has been explained 1000 times. It's legal, because of what it's supposed to be used for, and they can't control people "misusing" it.

I agree.

Personally, I don't see misuse until it became a danger to someone or something other than the target. But yes, they can control "misuse". If they got a bug up their nether regions about it, they'd exert control at least to the extent that you couldn't use it in public without risking being identified by an RSO or someone (LEO) in the next shooters' stall. All ATF would need is a perceived snub to their "good graces" and I'd bet dollars to donuts a letter of revocation would get issued.

Anyway, I tap out. I'm off topic by discussing legality issues in a thread about a pistol buffer tube which was moved into a Rifle forum from the General forum. :eek:
 
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It's not pushing the limit, Thordsen has been out for years.

Note the element under the cover - which can have a rail attached. And attached to that, a hand stop, with the flat vertical surface to the rear, and hole to use as a sling attachment.

Stock, or not?

We as the general public and interested shooters would like to know: illegal or not? Better to ask and know than risk and lose - and we would lose our 2A rights entirely because we came up with a divergent view of those tasked to enforce what Congress passed as law.

The BATF doesn't automatically win, either, but they have much deeper pockets and we don't always get a national level organization to take up our case as a project.

So, we DO need to push, or our own lack of knowledge, or excessive risk taking, could be the wrong decision. Most of these decision are not clear cut, could not be previously considered, and clarity does not exist until an effort is made to consider all the elements.

Oh, the stop attached under the tube cover? Sorry, thumbs down, it creates a vertical flat surface to be used as a buttstock, which pistol doesn't need apparently, according to the letter to that questioner.

Don't push and the Wrist Brace wouldn't exist. The BATF isn't in the business of figuring out how to limit our Rights because CONGRESS ALREADY DID THAT AND THEN DELEGATED THEM TO ENFORCE IT.

It's not about the BATF, they have their plate full and frankly, the brace has likely reduced applications and substantially shortened the back log. It also gave shooters a new look at the uses of a pistol vs sbr and whether there is really a need to spend $200 for a stamp that many didn't want to purchase.

BUT - don't push it and we would still be waiting 9 months for an answer? When we could already own a pistol with every other feature exactly the same, just no stock? Accuracy isn't affected that much, bu the legal distinctions between pistol and rifle, their use, possession, and transport raise the question is the $200 really worth the more restricted use?

Don't push it and we'd never see what the alternatives offer - and how silly some of the SBR provsions really are in comparison.

Don't push it and we'd still be waving a red lantern as we walked in front of our motor carriage going down the street.

Don't push it and we'd still only have a few states who allow CCW.

Don't push it and we'd all be using traditional wood and blued steel guns with manual bolt actions. Ironic to hear some AR owners saying "Don't push it."

Sounds like they think they are victims of the system, not the employers of Congress and the government. Once that mindset settles in, we don't own the government, the government owns us.

Don't push it and some in government will just keep limiting our Rights and what guns we can own.

WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, we need to push it because WE are in charge.
 
Over $100 for a tube cover though?
PACKAGE*INCLUDES ONE*OF*EACH:

Keyed Pistol Buffer Tube (Thordsen Customs exclusive)
QD Buffer Tube Cover (Thordsen Customs exclusive)
Saddle Adapter (Thordsen Customs exclusive)
CAA Saddle kit
Carbine Buffer spring
3.0 oz. standard recoil buffer
Castle Nut
Mounting hardware
Endplate
Installation instructions*



FWIW, I may go this route for my pistol build.
 
I've looked at it, and the foam tube covers seem for me to be the better value. All you do is hold it up to your shoulder to steady the gun during sighting. Recoil with the 5.56 is half that of a .308 and the main reason accuracy is much higher, and why there are more hits n the battlefield with it. The average soldier shoots it a lot more than the older heavier .308's.

Entirely the reason for the change to 5.56.

For PDW use a large buttplate really isn't a huge factor, and actually gets in the way of transportation and carry. The SIG brace isn't small. The Thordsen isn't thin. Bulking up the gun where there's no significant improvement for the expense becomes an exercise in dressing up Barbie more than functional reality.

Five years ago a lot of AR pistol users simply installed a crutch tip. There was no large outcry about it being horribly inaccurate, and SBR stamp waiters shot their's all the same without a stock with very few complaints - other than having to wait months. Rounds went downrange with no buttstock regardless. None report the "huge" increase in accuracy they claim a stamp gave them with any credible numbers.

Considering a pistol is a shorter range weapon, the average MOA spread between them is insignificant when you consider effective accuracy. Even if it was twice as inaccurate with no buttstock, we are talking a change from 2MOA milspec accuracy to 4MOA. Or, a 2" group at 100m to 4".

The target center of mass, human or whitetail deer, is about 18" across. Even at 500m it's still effective, which is why the military hasn't made it a big deal to change the standard. It would be a lot of expense to tighten up the group for very little return.

Do the math, make your own choice. Got the money? Spend it as you see fit, but for a lot of shooters building AR pistols, it's not a requirement. It's an accessory, and for the money, it's 2-3X more expensive than an issue stock or MFT Minimalist.

Some things they sell because they can.
 
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And then what?

Then the ATF decides that too many people are attempting to bypass the NFA by using "I promise it's not a shoulder stock" items as shoulder stocks and slaps down a new Instant Felon regulation.





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I never understand this attitude.

What, the attitude that says stop tugging on Supermans cape?

Hey look, I don't mind if you don't, mine are all stamped. Just saying that if this keeps getting more popular and more companies jump in on the "not a shoulder stock" market, ATF will eventually do something, and I don't think it will be something this community likes.
 
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