New Ruger

[2WheelsGood]

Well, for starters...

Ruger LC9
Capacity: 7+1
Overall Length: 6.00"
Width: 0.90"
Height: 4.50"
Barrel Length: 3.12"
Weight: 17.10 oz.

Kel-Tec PF-9.
Capacity: 7 +1
Overall Length: 5.85”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 0.88”
Barrel Length: 3.1"
Weight: 18.2 oz.

That's about the weakest argument I can imagine... similar dimensions? So if BMW makes a car with similar dimensions to a Ford Taurus, that makes it a copy?

Seriously... if there was something so revolutionary about the Kel-tec, why didn't they patent it?

 

[Elmer]

I would take a Glock over a Ruger but that is not really the gist of this thread. Again please correct me on the facts. Did Ruger issue a recall on 2 of the last 3 new pistol designs they released to market.

Trying to introduce Glock into the discussion is a red herring. This thread is not about Glock. It is about Ruger's new pistol and their recent missteps with new products.

I applaud your attempts to help inform consumers, and look forward to such assistance in the Glock threads.

 

[Hanzo581]

I'll be grabbing one of these for the wife if she holds it and likes it. Glad I didn't get her a LCP, I'd much rather her have 9mm for recoil and cost reason.

I looked at PF9's, I just couldn't get over the lack of fit and finish on the gun, though I am sure it is a fine pistol.

 

[rellascout]

I applaud your attempts to help inform consumers, and look forward to such assistance in the Glock threads.

Do you understand the term red herring because your continued references to Glock demonstrate that you do not...

Again am I wrong on the facts?

 

[gordy]

Has ruger had a original idea in the last 50 years?

 

[Elmer]

Do you understand the term red herring because your continued references to Glock demonstrate that you do not...

I seem to have struck a nerve....and for that I apologize.

Please forgive me.....

 

[Elmer]

Has ruger had a original idea in the last 50 years?

Which company has?

 

[gordy]

Kel-Tec
S&W
Sig
That is to just name a few.

 

[Hawthorne2k]

if there was something so revolutionary about the Kel-tec, why didn't they patent it?

Why hello Mr. Weak Argument! Kel-Tec ain't the one calling their pistol "revolutionary", it's Ruger.

And yes, if the BMW had the exact same height, weight, power, functionality, look, feel, but had a different logo and, say, a flappy-paddle transmission instead of automatic, I'd take a long, hard look at the Ford instead of paying more for the Bimmer badge.

Look, for the record, I *want* this gun to succeed. As others have pointed out, it fits a glaring hole in the semi-auto pistol space, something that's built by a recognized name and is as small as a PF-9 and is probably (judging by the looks of things) a bit more ruggedly built than the Kel-Tec equivalent. The SR-9C is a good pistol (recommended it to a friend of mine who was looking for a compact daily carry) and the LCP3AT ignited the pocket .380 movement, but let's call a spade a spade here and congratulate Ruger on taking something on the fringe and making it palatable to the mainstream market.

To quote Picasso/Steve Jobs, "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."

 

[DC3-CVN-72]

I am verry interested in a RUGER LC9 !

 

[Hanzo581]

Has Kel-tec sued Ruger yet over the LCP? Surely they will over this new pistol?

 

[vidi0t]

I really don't see the similarities with the PF9 other than dimensions. Some of the posters in this thread act like Ruger should be scolded for releasing a small lightweight 9mm. I for one think it looks cool. My LCP has been flawless and I'll pick this one up after the hype and prices come down a little. Seriously folks. Can we please stay on topic here and who cares about Glocks and BMWs and all!? This thread is about the new LC9. If you don't like it then lets talk about why and what you would change about it.

 

[9x19sig]

Always keep in mind there are three personalities when it comes to new firearms...

1. First, we have the the "get off my lawn!" AARP folks that chime in with something about not needing a plastic toy gun (they actually think the entire gun is plastic, barrel and all). Instead, they only carry a 2 lb. 113% steel firearm.

2. Next, we have the people who don't read the original post or maybe even the title of the thread. These guys come in and tell us about their Glock .40, and how great it is.

3. Last, we have the people who are known as "gun enthusiasts". They objectively look into the new firearm and decide if they want it, or need it. They add few words to the thread, or maybe none at all. Most are lurkers who only come for information.

 

[2WheelsGood]

Kel-Tec ain't the one calling their pistol "revolutionary", it's Ruger.

If you're bothered by marketing hype, you'll never buy another gun or anything else for that matter.

And yes, if the BMW had the exact same height, weight, power, functionality, look, feel,

Exact? By the numbers you posted they most certainly aren't. Read 'em again.
Functionality? You mean throwing lead really really fast? Yeah, that's all guns.
Look? Seriously? If you scrape the name off a hundred 1911s, you could easily get them confused. But confuse this gun for a Kel-tec? Apparently you're easy to fool. About the only thing it looks like is a bloated LCP.
Feel? Again, so you have shot one?

 

[Yo Mama]

So you're against the incredible number of 1911s all by different brands that are FAR more similar to each other than this gun is to a Kel-tec?

Na, to me 1911s were game on when Browning died.

 

[skoro]

Or new KelTec copy?

 

[brandon_mcg]

may be a good back up pistol.......

 

[Racinbob]

I like it. I love my SR9. I'll probably bite on the LC9 once the price gets over the initial hype. I'm not worried about a recall. You need to get over the "beta testing" stuff. There's no way Ruger or anybody else could test them like the public can. It's all in the way they handle the issues. My SR9 wasn't recalled. I kinda wish it would have been. Extra goodies there! My Kahr was sent back (at my expense per them) and 'fixed' under warranty. But it had bigger problems after I got it back. I don't own it anymore. I'm a S&W fan top to bottom but my SR9 and Ruger's CS has me wanting a GP100. That may have to wait until I handle a LC9.

 

[Hawthorne2k]

Exact? By the numbers you posted they most certainly aren't. Read 'em again.
Functionality? You mean throwing lead really really fast? Yeah, that's all guns.
Look? Seriously? If you scrape the name off a hundred 1911s, you could easily get them confused. But confuse this gun for a Kel-tec? Apparently you're easy to fool. About the only thing it looks like is a bloated LCP.
Feel? Again, so you have shot one?

Exact? You're right. They're off by a few thousands of an inch and tenths of an ounce. Clearly, that is just a conicidence. Ruger obviously used the .50 Desert Eagle as the starting point for this gun, and wound up within a hair's breadth of the PF-9.
Functionality? 10+1 9mm DAO semi-autos that easily fit inside a pants pocket ain't a dime a dozen. If you want to use "throwing lead" as the baseline, compare the LC9 to a Ma Duece, because hey, they both throw lead!
Look? So if Ruger copied the 1911, it'd be cool, but heaven help them if they copy someone else? And by the way, a PF-9 looks like a bloated P3AT, so it's no surprise that the LCP looks like a bloated P3AT.
Feel? I've shot exactly as many rounds thru it as anyone else here: Zero.

Let's go the source: http://mouseguns.com/PocketAutoComparison.pdf

Scroll down to the 9mm's, and we get...

Kel-Tec PF-9
9 x 19mm
Operation: DAO; Slide Lock
Capacity: 7 +1
Overall Length: 5.85”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 0.88”
Weight Empty: 14.7 oz.
Weight Fully Loaded 18 oz.

Kel-Tec P-11 9 x 19mm
Operation: DAO; Slide Lock
Capacity: 10 +1
Overall Length: 5.6”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 1.10”
Weight Empty: 15.6 oz.
Weight Fully Loaded 20 oz.

Rohrbaugh R9/R9S 9 x 19 mm
Operation: DAO
Capacity: 6 +1
Overall Length: 5.2”
Height: 4.1”
Width: 0.91”
Weight Empty: 15.1 oz.
Weight Fully Loaded 18 oz.

Sccy CPX-1
9 x 19mm
Capacity: 10 +1
Overall Length: 5.7”
Height: 4.0”
Width: 1.00”
Weight Fully Loaded 22 oz.

Kahr 9 x 19 mm
Operation: DAO; Slide Lock
Capacity: 6 +1
Overall Length: 5.6”
Height: 4.3”
Width: 1.10”
Weight Empty: 24.0 oz
Weight Fully Loaded 27 oz.

Of those, which does the new Ruger resemble most?

Again, I have no problem with finding a good gun and copying it, as it makes good business sense to have someone else iron out the wrinkles first. What I don't understand is why so many people here think this gun sprang into being without any precedence: I think it's a good gun and will be very popular.

But "revolutionary" ?

Hardly.

 

[OregonJohnny]

This gun has been done already by a few different brands. Does that mean it won't be great? No. Does that mean Ruger shouldn't make it, because others already have? No.

But come on, the LCR was revolutionary. A polymer revolver. Now that was worth getting everyone hyped up about. But a small, polymer, single stack, 9mm semi-auto? Sorry, Ruger. That's nothing new or exciting. By all means, keep coming out with new guns, but maybe hold back on saying things like, "Ruger has done it again!" Done what again? Released a new firearm model? "Has undoubtedly created the next firearm you must own." Oh. Now that explains it all...

I love Ruger firearms. I own many of them. More than any other brand. But their marketing department makes this new LC9 seem like it's going to do something that no other handgun can do. I think that's what everyone is trying to point out.

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

odered a couple of them today. you should see them for not much more than the 380 lcp.

 

[Hawthorne2k]

But come on, the LCR was revolutionary.

Absolutely. I will fully give them credit where credit is due, and LCR actually lives up to the hype. It's one of those guns that made me say "Man, I wish I'd thought of that!"

Ruger is showing itself to be a well-run company that makes good firearms, a rare thing indeed in a business sector littered with the corpses of gun companies who were supposed to be THE NEXT BIG THING and then slowly died off.

 

[FMJMIKE]

Thanks Ruger !!! I appreciate you selling lots of new interesting guns. I will buy one if it fits my hand. The LCP was too small and in a bad caliber for me.

 

[Elmer]

Kel-Tec
S&W
Sig
That is to just name a few.

I always appreciate an education.

Can you point out some of the original ideas those companies have had in the last 50 years?

Thanks.

 

[Elmer]

Has Kel-tec sued Ruger yet over the LCP? Surely they will over this new pistol?

I'm thinking if there was anything actionable, Ruger would have been in court already.