New Uberti Cattleman safety in 2016.

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https://youtu.be/OJkvisKzxvQ

Nooooo!

Anyone has any information on this or ideas on how it might work? The hammer does not seem to move when the firing pin retracts, yet the ping seems to be mounted on the hammer...

Damned lawyers!

Gil
 
It looks like a form of inertial firing pin which is mounted into the hammer. When the hammer falls after the trigger is pulled and slams into the frame, the firing pin continues forward to impact on the primer. If the hammer doesn't fall under its spring pressure, the firing pin never achieves the inertia necessary to continue forward and impact the primer.
 
Looks like the same floating firing pin system Ruger has had for years. Look at the hammer face. Looks just like a Ruger.

Dave
 
What kind of Ruger has that? All mine are transfer bar with a frame mounted pin and a flat faced hammer with no pin.
 
DaveT asked:Looks like the same floating firing pin system Ruger has had for years. Look at the hammer face. Looks just like a Ruger.

Dave
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I don't think we saw the same thing ~ in the video the firing pin is clearly built into the hammer, not the frame as is the Ruger. And their is not "transfer bar" as in Rugers. The actuator is part of the trigger, and the spring loaded firing pin is in the hammer.

If you look closely, the actuator when raised holds the firing pin in firing position, when lowered the firing pin is withdrawn into the hammer face slightly, but far enough that it does not reach the primer.

Bob Wright
 
It looks like a clever idea and not dependent on the trigger being in the safety notch as in the old Uberti design. It will require careful fitting, but seems to work in a way that if the actuator rod jams up (as the old type tended to do) the trigger won't move and the problem will be obvious, a fail-safe system.

Jim
 
I just see it as something else to fail, an unnecessary complication...
Gil
 
Damned lawyers!
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Howdy

Don't blame the lawyers.

Federal law requires that imported firearms have some sort of safety device built in. That is why Uberti has been using a couple of different designs such as the D cam hammer and the double groove cylinder pin for years.

The wonder is that Colt is still selling the SAA without any sort of safety device.
 
Guns made in the U.S. don't have to meet the same requirements as imported guns, and many could not. GCA '68 was passed in a period when there was a lot of outcry against "evil, foreign" guns, both those SNS revolvers (like the RG-10) and war surplus guns (JFK had been killed with a Carcano). Of course, domestic manufacturers helped push the law through (Winchester's lawyers helped old Tom Dodd write the bill), so they made sure it affected only imports.

Ruger made their changes in response to a law suit that could have destroyed the company. Colt has avoided that problem so far by categorizing the SAA as a "custom" or "collector" gun and loading the manual with all kinds of warnings.

Jim
 
What a shame. I bet they don't sell well. I hate the looks of the trigger hanging out in the middle of the trigger guard.

The standard "first click" safety already has to meet the standard of ATF Form 4590 which states:

"The safety device must withstand the impact of a weight equal to the weight of the revolver dropping from a distance of 36" in a line parallel to the barrel upon the rear of the hammer spur, a total of five times."

What the heck else is needed????

35W
 
What a shame. I bet they don't sell well. I hate the looks of the trigger hanging out in the middle of the trigger guard.
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Howdy

Whether you like it or not, since the trigger shoves the actuator rod up, the trigger needed more motion than with the old design to make that work.

Although the design is not the same, you can always tell a New Model Ruger from a Three Screw even at a distance because the New Models need more trigger motion to push the transfer bar up into the firing postion.

Three Screw Blackhawk

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New Vaquero with transfer bar.

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By the way, I don't know the name of the guy in the second video, but he is very knowledgeable. I have learned a few things from him about old American guns that I never knew. However, his little joke at the end is never going to happen. Way too many colt style revolvers in Cowboy Action Shooting for the rules to change from only loading five.
 
Guess I was wrong. I thought they were introducing a frame mounted firing pin. In the early part of the video the hammer (blued) looks flat, which is what made me think they had gone the way of the old Ruger 3-screws.

Dave
 
Looks like the trigger has to be pulled in order for the firing pin to travel far enough to hit the primer. I wonder if the trigger has pulled without the hammer back and the hammer was pushed forward if it would go that little extra distance required to cause ignition.

This new uberti safety is fine, ruger has had the transfer bar safety in there Blackhawks for decades now allowing the sixth chamber to be loaded w/o safety issues. Uberti's just joining them and i'm alright with that, it's 2016, we can and should have a SAA clone that has a safety system that allows the last chamber to be loaded... safely.
 
If nothing else, it should safely allow for loading of six rounds in the chamber with no worry of detonation.

that will be a paradigm shift for the old cowboy shooters to grasp.:what:

LeftyTSGC
 
LeftyTSGC said:
If nothing else, it should safely allow for loading of six rounds in the chamber with no worry of detonation.

that will be a paradigm shift for the old cowboy shooters to grasp.:what:

LeftyTSGC
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They won't. If everyone in a match showed up with transfer bar Rugers they'd still load 5.
 
that will be a paradigm shift for the old cowboy shooters to grasp.
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Do you really think so? I had a New Model Ruger Blackhawk for thirty years before I had an Uberti or a Colt. I have never had any trouble going back and forth between the two.


They won't. If everyone in a match showed up with transfer bar Rugers they'd still load 5.
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The reason we only load five is because some of us are shooting Rugers and some of us are shooting Colts or colt replicas. We don't shoot six because that would give an unfair advantage to the Ruger guys. Rather than having separate categories for those who can load six and those who can only load five, to keep the playing field level, everybody loads five. That is the way it has always been. One more revolver that is safe to load six is not going to make any difference because there are still plenty of guys who can only safely load five.
 
Driftwood Johnson said:
Do you really think so? I had a New Model Ruger Blackhawk for thirty years before I had an Uberti or a Colt. I have never had any trouble going back and forth between the two.




The reason we only load five is because some of us are shooting Rugers and some of us are shooting Colts or colt replicas. We don't shoot six because that would give an unfair advantage to the Ruger guys. Rather than having separate categories for those who can load six and those who can only load five, to keep the playing field level, everybody loads five. That is the way it has always been. One more revolver that is safe to load six is not going to make any difference because there are still plenty of guys who can only safely load five.
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Which is why I said if everyone showed up with transfer bar Rugers they'd still load 5 whether it made any sense at that point or not cause rules is rules.
 
By the way, I don't know the name of the guy in the second video, but he is very knowledgeable. I have learned a few things from him about old American guns that I never knew. However, his little joke at the end is never going to happen. Way too many colt style revolvers in Cowboy Action Shooting for the rules to change from only loading five.
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Balázs Németh. From what I gather, he's a historian but nowadays runs the cap and ball store (in Hungary), and competes in various European BP championships. I plan to swing by his store when I'm next in Budapest.

Anyway, yeah, the rules are unlikely to change, probably ever. It's still a nice system, nevertheless - I like the fact there are no modifications of anything except trigger and hammer.
 
Funny that this didn't happen long ago.

Pretty much every American revolver that I have, which also has a hammer mounted pin, retreats the hammer to a safe-resting position upon releasing the pressure upon the trigger.

Now, I understand that the firearms I'm referring to are double action but the principal has been around for quite some time none the less.


Good on Uberti for finally integrating it into their pistols.


Todd.
 
This safety seems to have more in common with the Freedom Arms 97 than a New Model Ruger. Clearly not the same, but a similar concept in that the safety mechanism is operated inside the hammer.
 
I have an older model "Regulator". It is only safe to carry with the hammer down on an empty chamber. If I'm correct, the Regulator is the predecessor to the Cattleman.
 
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