Newish 6mm or 6.5mm cartridge case size?

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Which 6mm or 6.5mm cartridges on the standard commercial market today use case body diameters different from the standard 5.56mm/.223 or 7.62 NATO/.308? Are there any based on the .30 Remington/6.8 SPC case? Thanks!
 
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6.5 Grendel uses the same case head as 7.62X39 , .440 . 6.5X55 swede uses .479 , slightly larger then the standard .473 of the '06- Mauser rim diameter. I don't know of any based on 30 rem/6.8 SPC , but a 25 rem necked to 6MM and given a modern pressure case strength would be cool .
 
Which 6mm or 6.5mm cartridges on the standard commercial market today use case body diameters different from the standard 5.56mm/.223 or 7.62 NATO/.308? Are there any based on the .30 Remington/6.8 SPC case? Thanks!
I feel like the 6 arc would get about as close as the 6.5 Grendel, non commercial? Wouldn't take much to neck up a valkyrie case(spc) to a 6mm, but not enough room for a decent heavyweight coal.... I think we just did a thread on the 6mm MAX(?) could be a different moniker but basic concept would be the same.
 
6mm arc and 6.5 grendel are both based on the 7.62x39 case head.

There are wildcats in 6mm and 6.5mm based on the 6.8spc case which are called 24 GPC, and 26 GPC. I do not know of any that can be bought in a commercially available rifle.

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I feel like the 6 arc would get about as close as the 6.5 Grendel, non commercial?

The 6 ARC is a "commercial" round - it has cleared SAAMI standardization and has big brand factory ammo and rifles available.

The 6mm Max isn't a 30rem/6.8SPC derived case, it's a 350 Legend case necked down to 6mm pills and trimmed to fit 100grn (not necessarily 105/108) bullets into 2.3" mag length.

There do exist several 6mm variants on the 6.8spc case, but none are commercialized. The 24 Nosler is probably the closest to commercialization, it's a 22 Nosler trimmed back and necked up to 6mm - so it's a .378" bolt face like 223/5.56, but uses the 6.8 SPC case body... The 6 Hagar has been around for a long time, as have several other 6-6.8's, but they have the problem of over-length cases so when restricted to AR mag length, they can't use the long, high BC bullets we all prefer to use in 6mm rounds.

Therein really lies the rub - the 6.8 spc case is just too skinny to fit enough powder to do what it needs to do when restricted to 2.3" COAL with long, high BC 6mm bullets. Even the standard 6.5 Grendel case is really too long for many of the higher BC 6mm bullets, so if you push the shoulder back on the 6.8spc case to fit the same high BC bullets, you end up with even LESS case capacity due to the smaller diameter, and performance wanes even worse. That's why so many of us were shooting 6mmAR's/243LBC's/Turbo40's/Grinches/Rats/FatRats/etc based on the Grendel case before the 6 ARC cartridge was standardized, and NOT shooting the 6.8SPC based wildcats.
 
Interesting- I didn't realize that the M43 case head was bigger than .30 Rem. Good to know!

I wonder if the .276 Pedersen case is on anybody's radar? Perhaps to big for an standard AR-15 based bolthead?
 
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Interesting- I didn't realize that the M43 case head was bigger than .30 Rem. Good to know!

I wonder if the .276 Pedersen case is on anybody's radar? Perhaps to big for an standard AR-15 based bolthead?
......i kinda wanna say i saw that come up in a thread at some point.

.450 bolt face would limit max pressure/bolt thrust without a larger extension id bet. Blown out straightish the capacity would be pretty decent, tho if going to a bigger extension might as well go to the more common .473
 
There are bolts and barrel extensions available for an AR15 that will allow for a .473" bolt face at 60,000 psi.

Regular AR bolt on the right, MDWS bolt on the left.



One of the several cartridges to take advantage of this is 6.5 timberwolf below. It is basically a 6mm dasher necked up to 6.5. I don't remember if the shoulder is the same or not.

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