Next cartridge to become obsolete?

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COLT BANKER'S SPECIAL

I was at the local Gonne Shoppe about three weeks ago, and a fellow came looking to buy some ammunition for a revolver he had. I don't recall the exact name of the gun, but it had "Banker" in it, like "Banker'sSpecial" or something like that. It was chambered for a .38 round, but not .38 Spl.
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Justin,

It might have been one of those little snubbies in .38 S&W.
 
.45 GAP. The GAP was an attempt by Glock at the time to have a "45" of some sort in their line-up.

6.8 SPC. SPC has never taken off because Remmy hasn't promoted it to civilian hunters and shooters. It failed with the Army because it was an "underground" round developed by SF and the AMU instead of through the normal procurement channels. Also using longer, heavier OTM-type rounds in the M4/M16 is a cheaper solution than rebarreling and rechambering millions of weapons. 6.8mm will be popular only with those uber-tacti-cool types who try to dress like contractors/operators when they go to a range.
 
The Remington EtronX is already discontinued, I believe.
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What a dog that one was. As least on standard firearms you can get a new barrel and screw it on to get rid of a dud.

I'm in for the Remington RSUM's. Solution to a non-problem. The endless number of insane (IMO) uber calibers in revolvers...460', 480's, 500's. There's little to nothing practical they'll do better than a .44 mag except empty your wallet faster.

Since there are less and less centerfire rifles being sold for hunting every year, I'd think mfg's would be careful about new calibers that won't do anything the millions in existance already can do

Every hard core shooter should have Cartridges of the World There's probably something that hasn't been invented, but's going to be hard to find

One thing I think is real eye opening are articles by John Barsness in Handloader magazine. The June 2006 has an article that gives basic parameters about bullet weight/caliber/powder capacity. For example, velocity increases 25% of the rate of powder increase. If you increase powder capacity by 10%, velocity will typically be upped by 2.5% assuming equal pressures.

The other thing that's interesting is the relationship between bullet diameter and weight vs. velocity. The closer the bullet is to case diameter, the more effecient. This is the reason calibers like the .35 Whelen are so effective even though they don't burn a handful of powder with every shot.
 
Bad call. That's still used today by the Russian military in their belt fed machine guns. I don't know of any new manufacture rifles (except maybe Saiga type rifles) in that cartridge, but there is such a massive amount of milsurp rifles that it will be around a long time. Wolf, S&B and a few others produce this ammo for the commercial market right now.
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I believe they still use the SVD, plus there is a large number of hunters and target shooters in Russia with all sorts of rifles in that caliber. Izhmash and TOZ make new sporting guns in it, too.
 
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ARTiger, I would think the Jerico's-Tanfoglios-CZ's would quailify as mass produced. Try to find .41AE lately? Pretty much all places that advertise it don't have it in stock, the last I looked . Been a while tho.

For handgun I would say.
1..41AE (pretty much already gone)
2..356TSW.

Long arms.
1.376 Steyer
2.The Rem Ultra Mags/short Ultra mag (SAM ?)
3.303 savage
 
Huh, I'd never thought of .25ACP going under until I read this thread.

Now that I think about it, most of the good-quality .25ACP pistols out there have gone out of production or can't be imported: Colt, FN, Astra, CZ. Seecamp made some, but their .32 is far better known, and now they've moved on to .380.

There are a whole ton of junk guns from 1970-2000 floating around in .25ACP, but a lot of those are still probably loaded with the box of ammo they were bought with.
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I don't think that's going away anytime soon. Speer makes Gold Dots in that caliber, Hornady makes a Custom XTP, MagSafe makes a +P Defender, and Winchester just recently came out with an Expanding Point 45gr for it.

Yes, it's small, but it's a centerfire, and with continual advancements in propellants and bullets, it fills a niche that the less-reliable rimfire .22 can't.

All those manufacturers obviously think so, or they'd not go to the considerable tooling-up costs to produce complex little frangibles and hollowpoints for it.

BTW, Taurus still makes and sells lots of the PT25 copies of the Jetfire, in everything from plain black and nickel to some godawful ugly pink-pearl-grip versions that I can't fathom someone wanting to have.

If they just came out with something even SMALLER, the .17 HMR, I don't think the favored pocket snake-gun caliber of still many people (and one of JMB's legacy calibers, even) is going to go away anytime soon. :D
 
The 357 Sig is here to stay a while , as amatter of fact my last 3 new pistols have been in 40S&W because I can just purchase a new barrel in 357 to shoot this round . It works like a charm on the feral dogs and coyotes around here ....now only if I can get a light carbine chambered in this caliber .......
 
I sure hope the 10mm sticks around a little longer, but in the interim I'm buying 1000 new cases so that I can keep shooting my Colt Delta Elite. I agree that all the Winchester short and super short rounds will disappear now that Winchester has gone belly up.
 
Shouldn't the GAP stick around just because it is made to fit in a 9mm or .40 cal frame?
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It isn't. The GAP is only 1/8" shorter than the 45ACP. And it's still the same width. Not even close to the same frame size.

If somebody other than Glock and Springfield don't step up and make guns for it, it will have more trouble staying alive.
 
hmm... .357 sig would of been my top choice, til I read this post.

.41 magnum?

I can't see the .17 mach 2 being around long, the HMR definitely though.

It's getting harder and harder for me to find .300 H&H rounds for my model 70.

oh yeah, and doesn't CZ use 7.62 x 25's in their old chech military pistols? good luck finding those things!
 
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ARTiger, I would think the Jerico's-Tanfoglios-CZ's would quailify as mass produced. Try to find .41AE lately? Pretty much all places that advertise it don't have it in stock, the last I looked . Been a while tho.

For handgun I would say.
1..41AE (pretty much already gone)
2..356TSW.

Long arms.
1.376 Steyer
2.The Rem Ultra Mags/short Ultra mag (SAM ?)
3.303 savage
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Well . . . that's quite a list of obsolete calibers, but here's where you can buy some of each today . . .

.41AE http://www.qual-cart.com/41_ae.htm

.356 TSW http://www.ammo-one.com/356TWS.html

.376 Steyr http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/productDisplay~manufacturer~Hornady~model~376+Steyr+Ammunition.htm

Rem Short Ultra Mag http://www.shootersmart.com/site/Library/display/?prodid=34411

.303 Savage http://www.chuckhawks.com/starsandstripesammo.htm

The .303 Savage was the biggest challenge. But in each case, new factory loaded ammunition with only a credit card number and Fedex between it and you. I've tried to think of several calibers in the criteria I originally posted that should be totally "dead", but after a bit of searching was always able to find at least one box of ammo somewhere.
 
Come to think of it, what new guns are chambered in 7.92x57 (8mm Mauser)?
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Didn't one of the big three American rifle makers just start offering that chambering?

The GAP is only 1/8" shorter than the 45ACP. And it's still the same width. Not even close to the same frame size.

If somebody other than Glock and Springfield don't step up and make guns for it, it will have more trouble staying alive.
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So, what was the point, just the smaller grip? Even that would seem like a good reason to make such guns.
 
Well . . . that's quite a list of obsolete calibers, but here's where you can buy some of each today . . .
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And here's where you can buy some 8mm Nambu. And here's some 577-450 Martini-Henry! So what? You'll probably always be able to find someone to custom load obsolete centerfire calibers. That doesn't make them any less obsolete.

By the way, Remington made some 65 million .30-18 cartridges between 1918-1919, let me know when you find a box of it for sale :evil:
 
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I believe you can get a Remington 700 in 8mm Mauser.:confused:


Edit-Nevermind I can't seem to find it listed on their site, it may have been a limited run type of thing.
 
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