NIB 9mm 1911 won't eat

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rbernie, I have the MecGar one from the factory. Might that be part of the issue?
From my experience - yes, it is. You really ought to get thee a Springfield/Leatham magazine. I *think* that these are the right ones - the online description sux:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/83...follower-welded-base-front-ramp-configuration

The key things to look for is that they use a spacer in the front (folded crease) instead of a pinned/tack welded spacer in the rear of the magazine, and the fact that they have turned the front lip of the magazine to act as a feed guide.
 
The MecGar have the fold in the front of the follower, but no ramp (you may be able to see this from the image in the original post). That's where the rounds are dipping down, I think.
 
Skribs, you've been a member here since 2010. You've commented many times on 1911s in numerous discussions as I recall. This is your first 1911?

There are numerous pics on line and in this forum of ramped and unramped barrels.

Below is a ramped barrel from BHP. Notice the ramp leading into the chamber.

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Below a standard non ramped barrel for a 1911.

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There are many better pics available on this forum. The ramp is literally a ramp attached to the barrel. Many guns, Glocks, Sigs etc. have ramped barrels.

The gun should shoot and feed well with or without a ramp. The mag for the 9mm 1911 pattern gun should have a plug int he rear of the mag to accomidate the shorter length of the 9mm round.

Take the gun out and shoot it. Go forward from there.

tipoc
 
Tipoc, forums are free.

Hence why I have a lot more posts about guns than I do guns.
 
Skribs, I think it's wise to wait for the mags you have on order before test firing. Having just one suspect magazine likely will be frustrating at the range, things should go better with more magazines. I have Mec-Gar mags for the P.08 Luger, Hi Power and S&W 5906 that are excellent. I also have Mec-Gars for 45ACP and 9mm 1911s that work but I'm leery of them because of so many complaints in various online forums over the years. So I use Colt, Checkmate, Wilson, McCormick, etc. instead.

The only 9mm 1911 I have, a Springfield Range Officer Compact loves the Springfield (Checkmate) magazines I have. My single 9mm Mec-Gar seems to work but it tends to stay in the bottom of the range bag. Possibly unfairly. It normally hand cycles rounds ok but has nosed dived the second or third round. That hasn't happened during normal firing.
 
I built a 1911 commander. Had similar feeding problem. It was solved with a mag catch that put the mag up a little higher in the mag well.
 
I would mention that I have an RIA with a similar problem, but the torches and pitchforks would come out, so I'd better not...
 
The Wilson 9MM mags of today appear to have copied the Springfield/Leatham mags.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/1911-El...Size-10-Round-ETM-Base-Pad/productinfo/500-9/

My older Wilson 9MM 1911 mags that came with my S&W have the spacer in the rear like the Check-Mate mags do, and both brands work well in my guns. I have a couple of the Metalform mags and they work well too.

I may buy one of the new Wilsons and try it out.
 
Skribs said:
..............I said in my OP I had not been to the range yet.
You should take it to the range to see if you really have a cycling problem. I have A RIA 1911 Ultra 9mm, with Mec-Gar magazines and haven't any problems.
 
I run Citadel 9mm 1911s, which are pretty much Rock Island guns. I only use two types of magazines in them. Either the Wilson ETMs mentioned before, or Metalform removable base plates with Wolff extra power springs put in.

Walkalong, the newer ETM still have the plastic spacer at the rear, the just have a little curl on the front body now.

Skribs, any 9mm 1911 can be made to nose dive like yours in the picture. It is almost always because the slide is advancing too slowly from a full rear retraction. My advice would be to first give the gun another very thorough cleaning. The Armscor guns come with some wicked packing grease that acts like a tacky glue. Make sure you get the rails all cleaned up. Also make sure you pull the extractor and get anything that may have been hiding under the hook or in the channel. Also make sure the bolt face is nice and smooth and clean. Those last two items are because these nose dives often happen when the case can't slide up the bolt face with the rim under the extractor. When that is done, insert your magazine of dummy rounds on a closed slide and give the slide a hard yank to cycle it instead of starting with the slide locked open. If you do get another lockup, just for S&G, give the pistol a good solid whack on the bottom of the grip and see if it jumps into battery. Most times it will.
 
I had a similar problem with a .45acp Citadel 3.5 CS. It would feed with six in the factory magazines, but not seven. I switched to McCormicks and it works fine now.
 
I run Citadel 9mm 1911s, which are pretty much Rock Island guns. I only use two types of magazines in them. Either the Wilson ETMs mentioned before, or Metalform removable base plates with Wolff extra power springs put in.

Walkalong, the newer ETM still have the plastic spacer at the rear, the just have a little curl on the front body now.

Skribs, any 9mm 1911 can be made to nose dive like yours in the picture. It is almost always because the slide is advancing too slowly from a full rear retraction. My advice would be to first give the gun another very thorough cleaning. The Armscor guns come with some wicked packing grease that acts like a tacky glue. Make sure you get the rails all cleaned up. Also make sure you pull the extractor and get anything that may have been hiding under the hook or in the channel. Also make sure the bolt face is nice and smooth and clean. Those last two items are because these nose dives often happen when the case can't slide up the bolt face with the rim under the extractor. When that is done, insert your magazine of dummy rounds on a closed slide and give the slide a hard yank to cycle it instead of starting with the slide locked open. If you do get another lockup, just for S&G, give the pistol a good solid whack on the bottom of the grip and see if it jumps into battery. Most times it will.
Dang - I feel foolish now. All I did with mine was wipe off the excess oil on the outside with a towel and shoot the snot out of them. All three of them.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to offer to dispose of these "ruined" guns (for a small fee).
 
Walkalong, the newer ETM still have the plastic spacer at the rear, the just have a little curl on the front body now.
Thanks, couldn't tell from the pic on the website, but it looked like it might.
 
I have a RIA 9 MM and the thing runs like a,sewing machine with factory,Wilson,Metalform and Tripp mags using both factory and various handloads.
 
Wonder if this is a situation where the mag is a locking in a few thousandths low thus the round is not in the optimal location as the slide comes forward. If you use the heel of your palm and gently push the mag up while thumbing the slide release down if it feeds.
 
If you ride the slide forward on a 9mm 1911 its more likely to choke than a .45, due to the weaker recoil spring. I dont know about RIA, but my 9mm STI Spartan was undersprung, so the even weaker recoil spring made it easier to choke when hand cycling.

My Spartan came with a Metalform/Springfield magazine (crease in the front), and I bought more that are just as reliable. I also have metalforms with the spacer in the back, they work as well. I haven't tried any others, haven't felt the need to.
 
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I got the Tripp magazine in, and it feeds better, but not 100%. It fails like 1/3 of the time instead of half the time. I'll try the other brands as they come in.

Magazine seating low seems like a possibility. The rounds seem to be hitting low. I tried slapping the magazine after a failure and it doesn't seem to be working. I have to lock the slide back and then drop the magazine (it won't drop while the slide is semi-forward) and then I can get the round out.

I think I may want to contact RIA on this one. While the factory magazine wasn't helping, it doesn't appear the magazine was the root problem.
 
I think they are going to ask you have you shot the gun. IMHO if you have not shot the gun it is hard for you to claim there is an actual problem. :eek:
 
I can't think of any of my 9mm pistols that will not feed while hand cycling. The SA 1911 I have does occasionally hang-up on the first hand cycle if being gentle but under an actual fire cycle it feeds fine.

Getting the gun to the range for actual fire will determine if this is something that needs to be taken further.
 
Are you still potentially wasting time trying to diagnose with snap-caps?

If so - go out and try feeding some real ball ammo through it.



Todd.
 
Hey guys, guess what? Not everyone has a schedule that lets them go to the range within a couple days of buying a new gun!

I work 2 jobs (it's why I can afford a new gun), which means I get to work well before the ranges open and get off after they are closed. I will test it when I get time, which will happen on the weekend if I'm lucky.
 
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