Night Pigeon T-Sauce Project

One could look at your target results and say the Nighthawk doesn't shoot that much better (with that one load) than the Tee-Sauce SDS Green Service A1, so it isn't
worth the thousands extra.
BUT --- With ammo it likes the Nighthawk appears to be a one hole shooter. Will the Tee-Sauce SDS Green Service A1 be a one hole shooter with ammo it likes?
 
I think people get WAY to sucked into what accuracy is and worry over silly differences that really mean nothing in the real world. And Id say too, "most" people couldn't shoot up to the gun as it is for the difference to really matter anyway. But little holes on paper are cool and seem to be the judge of all things.

If you're a bullseye target shooter, then yea, a "one holer" is probably the better choice, assuming you can get the hole in the right place, no matter how long it takes. :)

For real world shooting, most of the cheap, box-stock guns are more than adequate and capable, "as long as they work", and you arent some pea under the mattress, trigger, or whatever primadonna, and have to have some special gun to be able to shoot well with.
 
Agree ^^^^^^^ I was commenting on Mark Mark's accuracy test as to being a fair comparison.
I am 100% in on cheap box-stock guns. I shoot a ATI Commander .45. The only thing changed was the recoil spring, ala Bill Wilson, for shooting hardball loads. It's been
reliable and accurate. It works very well.
 
nofendertom said:
One could look at your target results and say the Nighthawk doesn't shoot that much better (with that one load) than the Tee-Sauce SDS Green Service A1, so it isn't
worth the thousands extra.
BUT --- With ammo it likes the Nighthawk appears to be a one hole shooter. Will the Tee-Sauce SDS Green Service A1 be a one hole shooter with ammo it likes?
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I know! completely feel ripped off with the T3 $4,195 + probably $500 to $800 with of parts + NH labor. and like 2 years wait.

a $300 SDS with the right load can shoot as good as a $5,000 gun!

but I bet I can sell the NH for what I paid for it in 5-10 years! I paid way under 1/2
 
trackskippy said:
I think people get WAY to sucked into what accuracy is and worry over silly differences that really mean nothing in the real world. And Id say too, "most" people couldn't shoot up to the gun as it is for the difference to really matter anyway. But little holes on paper are cool and seem to be the judge of all things.

If you're a bullseye target shooter, then yea, a "one holer" is probably the better choice, assuming you can get the hole in the right place, no matter how long it takes. :)

For real world shooting, most of the cheap, box-stock guns are more than adequate and capable, "as long as they work", and you arent some pea under the mattress, trigger, or whatever primadonna, and have to have some special gun to be able to shoot well with.
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nofendertom said:
Agree ^^^^^^^ I was commenting on Mark Mark's accuracy test as to being a fair comparison.
I am 100% in on cheap box-stock guns. I shoot a ATI Commander .45. The only thing changed was the recoil spring, ala Bill Wilson, for shooting hardball loads. It's been
reliable and accurate. It works very well.
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If these $300 T-Sauce ever come up for sale again. I’m buying 3! like them that much.

But if a $5,000 Night Hawk come up for sale of $2,000! definitely jumping on that! especially with 60 day Layaway
 
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sevt_chevelle said:
But, how does an extractor, thumb safety and a few springs make the gun more accurate?
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Well, let's look at the extractor as an example. The part, itself, is largely round as that makes it easy to make from round bar stock. Also, to finish it in mill after some initial lathe work. It fits in a round hole in the slide as that's also an easy machining step.

This is held in place by a bit of a flat milled in the extractor which binds up against the firing pin stop, which is largely a friction fit in milled slots retained by the spring pressure from the firing pin.

Now, because you need a dab of clearance, of machining tolerance, the extractor has the least bit of "slop" in where it "clocks" in the slide base on how that firing pin stop mashes up to it. Now, that clocking and fit may change as the slide gets bashed back and forth in firing (the notorious "break in period"). It may not.

Now, as a machining step, the slot that engages the cartridge rim is generally parallel to the slot for the firing pin stop. Some feeding issues can (only can) be improved if that slot is stoned (not filed <shudder>) to just "favor" the bottom outboard side. But, sometimes you can get that by canting the clocking of the extractor in the slide. Maybe not.

A lot of words to describe a simple part. But, any time that extractor bobbles in the slightest, either by failing to feed or failing to extract, that throws off the cadence of your shooting, and your accuracy will decline as a result.

Simple things can distract. And, if you are paying attention to the distraction, you are not paying attention to the front sight and the target you are addressing.
 
CapnMac said:
Well, let's look at the extractor as an example. The part, itself, is largely round as that makes it easy to make from round bar stock. Also, to finish it in mill after some initial lathe work. It fits in a round hole in the slide as that's also an easy machining step.

This is held in place by a bit of a flat milled in the extractor which binds up against the firing pin stop, which is largely a friction fit in milled slots retained by the spring pressure from the firing pin.

Now, because you need a dab of clearance, of machining tolerance, the extractor has the least bit of "slop" in where it "clocks" in the slide base on how that firing pin stop mashes up to it. Now, that clocking and fit may change as the slide gets bashed back and forth in firing (the notorious "break in period"). It may not.

Now, as a machining step, the slot that engages the cartridge rim is generally parallel to the slot for the firing pin stop. Some feeding issues can (only can) be improved if that slot is stoned (not filed <shudder>) to just "favor" the bottom outboard side. But, sometimes you can get that by canting the clocking of the extractor in the slide. Maybe not.

A lot of words to describe a simple part. But, any time that extractor bobbles in the slightest, either by failing to feed or failing to extract, that throws off the cadence of your shooting, and your accuracy will decline as a result.

Simple things can distract. And, if you are paying attention to the distraction, you are not paying attention to the front sight and the target you are addressing.
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PHD is Extractor! GREAT ESSAY!
 
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