1911 Shootout $4,000 vs. $2,000 vs. $300

[Mark_Mark]

Alright: I wanted to do a 1911 shootout. See if Cheap vs. Working Class vs. Money Bags

1st Gun: Roberts Defense New $1895

2nd Gun: T-Sauce (Tisas) Hand polished EVERYTHING by ME! $300

3rd Gun: Night Hawk Bad MamA JammA: New $4000

Load is 200gn Speer SWC coated, Powder is WST 5.0 gn - 4.8 gn - 4.6 gn
seating is 1.195 to 1.200

Concussion:

Night Hawk is BOMB… accurate and feeds everything

T-Sauce Feeds Everything but hates Everything

Roberts Defense is a good target gun for the money! Every thing you need and nothing you don’t want.

here the range report

Night Hawk T3


T-Sauce (Tisas)


Robert Defense Edge Pro

 

[GRIZ22]

Interesting comparison.

 

[unclenunzie]

You are my favorite provocateur.

 

[1KPerDay]

What distance? Up close pretty much everything should be pretty accurate

 

[Mark_Mark]

What distance? Up close pretty much everything should be pretty accurate

around 6-7 yards

 

[nofendertom]

Despite your groups, of those 3, I would still take the T-Sauce. You just have to find the right load for it. The money saved on purchase price will allow for a lot of ammo,
whether bought or made. I would rather be able to shoot a 3in group fast to POA, than snake eyes slow.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Despite your groups, of those 3, I would still take the T-Sauce. You just have to find the right load for it. The money saved on purchase price will allow for a lot of ammo,
whether bought or made. I would rather be able to shoot a 3in group fast to POA, than snake eyes slow.

I love the T-Sauce!! the fact that it eats anything is a plus in my book. 5.0 WST w/ 200gn is moving at 925-ish. That gun like hot loads

 

[Mark_Mark]

Oooh by the way.. that was off hand and shooting at a angle

 

[Jonah77]

Despite your groups, of those 3, I would still take the T-Sauce. You just have to find the right load for it. The money saved on purchase price will allow for a lot of ammo,
whether bought or made. I would rather be able to shoot a 3in group fast to POA, than snake eyes slow.

Thank you…

 

[General Geoff]

Alright: I wanted to do a 1911 shootout. See if Cheap vs. Working Class vs. Money Bags

1st Gun: Roberts Defense New $1895

2nd Gun: T-Sauce (Tisas) Hand polished EVERYTHING by ME! $300

3rd Gun: Night Hawk Bad MamA JammA: New $4000

Got anything representing the $600-800 bracket? I feel that's more "working class" these days, $2k for a single pistol is solid "upper middle class"

 

[Mark_Mark]

Got anything representing the $600-800 bracket? I feel that's more "working class" these days, $2k for a single pistol is solid "upper middle class"

i only buy used guns. so they were all 40% - 50% of retail. except the $300 T-Sauce

what about a basic Colt 1911? they are around $750-ish

or a top if the line T-Sauce! always wanted one of those

 

[2ndtimer]

Would like to see you repeat your test with 230 gr FMJRN with Bullseye or W231/HP-38. More of a traditional 1911 .45 ACP load. Interesting.

 

[American_Fusilier]

My Tisas was a jam-o-matic. I sold it and bought a Rock Island Armory 1911, which has never choked on anything I've fed it thus far.

 

[nettlle]

In my experience a 1911 that runs SWC well will run just about anything. Is the Nighthawk really worth that much more? I know they are nicer but thousands of dollars nicer?

 

[Mark_Mark]

Would like to see you repeat your test with 230 gr FMJRN with Bullseye or W231/HP-38. More of a traditional 1911 .45 ACP load. Interesting.

Good idea!

 

[Mark_Mark]

In my experience a 1911 that runs SWC well will run just about anything. Is the Nighthawk really worth that much more? I know they are nicer but thousands of dollars nicer?

I bought it used for $2,000 with 8 or 10 NH mags, and a bunch of original parts. The last owner had them do a bunch of upgrades by NH.

Would I pay $4500 for a NH 1911??NO? But $2,000 from an owner who I know his reputation for only the best stuff & service. All day long.

Gun shoots like a dream, anything I put thru it runs and it’s reliable too.

 

[nettlle]

I would have done the same.

 

[Mark_Mark]

My Tisas was a jam-o-matic. I sold it and bought a Rock Island Armory 1911, which has never choked on anything I've fed it thus far.

When You get a good one! You fall in love with it!

 

[Mark_Mark]

I would have done the same.

I’m get a good accurate load for that $300 T-Sauce tho!!!

That gun RUNS good! Feeds sized empties and everything

 

[tarosean]

Got anything representing the $600-800 bracket? I feel that's more "working class" these days, $2k for a single pistol is solid "upper middle class"

You want to see my grocery receipt?

 

[tarosean]

Night Hawk is BOMB… accurate and feeds everything

You also neglected to point out it’s CCO sized gun outshooting the full-sized competitors

 

[Mark_Mark]

You also neglected to point out it’s CCO sized gun outshooting the full-sized competitors

It’s a good gun 4 sure

 

[Peakbagger46]

I’ll challenge you (the OP) to a duel, pick your best 1911 and I’ll run my crappy duty pistol at 7 yards.

Some times (especially with handguns) the Indian matters more than the arrow.

 

[Bwana John]

For 4k the 1911 better have Alvin York’s DNA on it. Squeaky Fromme’s at the least.

Im pretty happy with Springfield Armory.

 

[Show Me]

For 4k the 1911 better have Alvin York’s DNA on it. Squeaky Fromme’s at the least.

Im pretty happy with Springfield Armory.

My range officer can run any magazine I own. My Para USA hates all magazines I own. Bought a wilson combat and it's happy.