NJ Republican Signs 10 Anti-Gun Bills

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Can I ask you all a question? If a Republican governor, like Christie for example, was elected in a liberal minded state, do you all think he should some what do the bidding of the majority of people he was elected to represent, or should he say to hell with them & his job and strictly vote along party lines with little regard for the people that elected him? I think he's not being a typical stubborn politician, and is doing what the voters in his state hired to do....



I do not see how it's dysfunctional. The blue states have a higher population, thus they have more say so. In any event, Obama won both the Electoral and Popular vote in both elections, so again, I do not see what was so unfair. Also, even if some people in the blue states are doing what you say in the primaries, I do not see it making much of a difference because the Republican candidate has always been the candidate that a majority of Republican supported and who were nominated in the most Conservative states. Name one Republican candidate, that was not supported by most Republicans, who was nominated as a result of votes from Democrats in blue states?

You aren't paying attention to how the system works.

By the time early voting states (mostly blue) have their first few primaries the media has already picked who they are going to push for and more often than nought many other candidates have dropped out BEFORE a large part of the country gets to vote.

And you don't see a problem with this. I have a problem with this. Because I don't get to actually vote in the presidential primary.

And before you say we should move ours last time around we got to see how that worked when Florida tried to move up in relation to the other media darling states primaries.
 
I think he's not being a typical stubborn politician, and is doing what the voters in his state hired to do....

That's fine...if that makes him a good Governor of NJ, then good on him.

It is utterly irrelevant, though, as to if it makes him appropriate for the national executive.
 
It gives individuals a easy way to check to see if they are on the "Watch List", not sure if it does anything but gives the "really" bad guys a new tool to find information that otherwise would not be available.
 
Blazey said:
Battle picker... what a nice way to call a person of spineless character.

The Alamo is what happens when people can't see the forest for the trees. When you're coming from a weaker position, (uphill battle getting a non-gun culture state to NOT fear firearms because of their conditioning) standing there and drawing a line in the sand does nothing but get you run over. The application of continuous and firm resistance will slow the inertia of any object, eventually resulting its stoppage and eventual reversal. We can play the anti's game and sneak back up on removal of infringements, until one day THEY wake up and go HEY! WHERE'D ALL OUR INFRINGMENTS GO!
 
R.W.Dale said:
The problem with this is our dysfunctional fractured primary system has a bunch of liberal blue states selecting the candidate for the red ones. You literally have states selecting the republican they'd want if they weren't going to vote Democrat by default.

For the life of me I cannot understand why more people don't see this fundamental malfunction of our political system

I haven't got to vote in a primary that wasn't a forgone conclusion in the 15yrs I've been a voter yet

There are only about a half-dozen states where an individual's vote truly counts in Presidential elections. It doesn't really matter how appealing a candidate is in New Jersey or Texas. New Jersey is going to vote blue and Texas is going to vote red except in landslide elections, like 1984 or 1988.

And it doesn't matter then, either.

For a number of reasons, New Jersey has some very conservative politicians, just not ones that can be elected to statewide office. A good example might be Scott Garrett, who is one of the most conservative members of Congress. ("Garrett is considered the most conservative member of the New Jersey delegation, as he has received perfect 100 ratings from the American Conservative Union throughout his career" and "a 92% Rating from the National Rifle Association".)

Another NJ conservative would be former Bogota mayor Steve Lonegan who is running for Frank Lautenberg's Senate seat. The primary election is today -- and Lonegan should easily win the Republican nomination. Lonegan ran against Christie in the Republican gubernatorial primary in 2009. Christie won with 55 percent of the vote. Lonegan garnered 42 percent. We'll see how this all works out. Christie pulled out all the stops for this special election. He scheduled an actual primary election, rather than leaving the choice of candidates to the two party's leadership in smoke-filled rooms. He scheduled a special election on October 16 -- which is a Wednesday, and just a few weeks before the Governor's election on November 5th.

If any election was ever designed to favor a conservative candidate in New Jersey, it's a special election on a Wednesday a few weeks before a general election. Only the core party voters are likely to make it to the polls. Of course, Christie didn't do this because he wanted to help Lonegan -- although he wouldn't be unhappy if a Republican won. He did it because he didn't want to appear on the same ballot with Newark Mayor Cory Booker, who is the presumptive Democrat nominee, and is the other rock star in NJ politics.

So far the polling doesn't look too good for Lonegan.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._special_election_lonegan_vs_booker-3938.html But since the special election is on a Wednesday in October which has never been done before in this state this is really sailing in uncharted waters.

McCain and Romney probably had about as much appeal to swing voters in the half-dozen competitive states as was possible. The problem for McCain was that the US economy was in a downward spiral in November 2008 and the Republicans were the incumbent party. The problem for Romney was that the US economy appeared to be on an upward trajectory in November 2012 and the Democrats were the incumbent party. Of course, Romney can be accused of being an out-of-touch patrician with a liberal record as Governor of Massachusetts who ran an awful campaign, but IMO that wasn't his main problem. I believe that if the 2012 election had been held 12 months earlier or 12 months later, the outcome might have been different.

There are many New Jersey towns in the more conservative New Jersey counties that vote well to the right of Texas in national elections. Conservatives in blue states are as conservative as conservatives anywhere, and they're the ones who are voting in the primaries. But they also like to win elections and so are likely to "satisfice" vs "optimize" their primary candidate choices when they think it can make some difference.
 
Leaders should LEAD using the Constitution as a blueprint. Christie stood up to the public sector unions that were robbing NJ blind. I commend him for that. However, even if half or a bit more of the state doesn't like guns, he should make a case for rational dialogue on guns, and move to restore their 2A rights.
 
Some people need to discover that we are a Representative Republic, NOT a Democracy. Democracy is nothing but mob rule. Do you want mob rule? To the Founding Fathers, Democracy was a BIG 4-letter word !!!!!! We are so freakin dumbed down it's pathetic!!!!!!
The elected official is supposed to win with his or her ideas and use those to sway the gov. body. NOT to put a finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing(that is why we have "career" politicians now !!!). WE have a Constitution - a rule of law for crying out loud! How many of you know that the very first, I mean FIRST elected leader (pre Geo. Washington) was a black man?!!! WOW !!! That will get the heads scratchin!!!! In fact, Geo. Washington voted for him !!!! HOLY COW !!!!!!! OPEN A BOOK !!!!! We are loosing our country as fast as we can let them take it away !!!!!!
 
^^ yeah, but democracy sounds so much more catchy and is easier to say than 'representative republic'. And reading is just so hard nowadays...
 
Utterly irrelevant with regard to whether I should vote for him at a national level.

I DON'T live in New Jersey and never WOULD.

I would no more vote for the anti-gun Christie than I'd vote for the anti-gun Giuliani.
Yes, that's fine, but you all were complaining upset over him voting the way his Constituents wanted him to vote. He was elected to represent the people of his state, so him doing a give and take in NJ instead of an all or nothing attitude doesn't necessarily mean he's antigun. He may have more leeway to insert his personal progun views as president than he could ever have as the representative of his liberal minded Constituents in NJ...

What I find funny is that Romney also supported gun control in Massachusetts. He supported the Brady Bill which called for more background checks and a ban on "assault rifles." He also supported having a waiting period on gun purchases. He also has stated that he wasn't in line with the NRA. I also do not recall any Republican being as out raged over this like that are over Christie. Even with his aint gun record, when he ran for president and his role changed and base changed, he was able to be pro gun, and I suspect that if elected, his policies would have been as well.

Leaders should LEAD using the Constitution as a blueprint. Christie stood up to the public sector unions that were robbing NJ blind. I commend him for that. However, even if half or a bit more of the state doesn't like guns, he should make a case for rational dialogue on guns, and move to restore their 2A rights.

I believe that Christie did nothing to violate the Constitution. Yes, as honest citizens, we do not like having stipulations like waiting periods and magazine size limits, but laws like that do not violate the Constitution whether we agree with them or not.

The elected official is supposed to run on his or her ideas. We as a mob are supposed to vote based on those ideas. The elected official is supposed to use those ideas to sway the gov. body. NOT to put a finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing in Texas or other states that he/she does not represent... It is mob rule like it or not. The mob with the most numbers gets to elect or fire representatives based on which ever way the wind is blowing.
 
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You aren't paying attention to how the system works.

By the time early voting states (mostly blue) have their first few primaries the media has already picked who they are going to push for and more often than nought many other candidates have dropped out BEFORE a large part of the country gets to vote.

And you don't see a problem with this. I have a problem with this. Because I don't get to actually vote in the presidential primary.

And before you say we should move ours last time around we got to see how that worked when Florida tried to move up in relation to the other media darling states primaries.
The media televises the primary debates live for all to see. They do not get to go to the polls and vote for who wins. There are also many popular outlets in the media like Rush, Hannity, Beck, Fox News, and more that many Conservative watch and to get their news from. Also, in the last 50 years we had 6 Republican and 5 Democrat presidents... I'm just not buying or seeing how you're figuring that the media and liberal states are some how all of a sudden cheating the system just because 1 man that you do not like was elected president...
 
^ ^ ^ Stick around then, you'll love the new healthcare sys. and the administration there of . . . . and you don't see how one person can demolish our syst. of gov. from inside. Ever heard of Executive Orders ?
 
^ ^ ^ Stick around then, you'll love the new healthcare sys. and the administration there of . . . . and you don't see how one person can demolish our syst. of gov. from inside. Ever heard of Executive Orders ?
That's why we have elections. If one guy has "demolish our syst. of gov.", we get a do over to elect someone else to undo what the other guy has done. I might not agree with what Obama has done, and to ME it might seem like he's demolishing our system, but he was elected 2x buy the majority of the people in this country. The majority do not view things the same way that you or I might view it. Even if they do now but didn't before, like I said, come the next election, it will all work its self out.
 
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