Except almost only counts in horseshoes. We'll need to find a better basis for attack than that.zxcvbob said:
New Jersey in trouble: Chris Christie Announces Expanded Gun Control Measures
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Jlr2267
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Saturday Night Special laws come to mind. Although not a particular brand, many manufacturers (to remain nameless) became associated with this cheap class of firearm and their "brand" became synonymous with them.
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glove
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Such a nice guy lets keep on voting him in over and over again. Oh and lets run him for President. What is wrong with you people VOTE the BUM out.:banghead:
geekWithA.45
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Historically, NJ was *never* in tune with the Liberty Thing. (tm).
There were mostly loyalists during the revolution, and statists ever since.
There were mostly loyalists during the revolution, and statists ever since.
clutch
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Just like a lot of dems recently ( and a few republicans) , he just flushed his future down the porcelain chair.
LevelHead
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The problem isn't New Jersey. The problem is the crappy cities in the NE of NJ. I just did some digging and some math. The following counties are mostly close to NYC with a couple of exceptions, but all of them are the homes of the biggest cities in NJ:
Essex, Passaic, Camden, Mercer, Middlesex, Union, Hudson, and Bergen.
Combined, those eight counties have 5,065,901 (as per Wikipedia and 2012 census numbers). They also share a combined land area of 1,521 square miles. The entire state has 8,864,590 people and is 1,521 square miles in size.
In other words, 57% of the people in NJ live in 17% of the land. Where I live, people have guns, and horses, and acres of land. I run into my kids music teacher at the hardware store and we talk about guns, and chickens, and other such topics. All of these counties and the filthy cities within them are an hour or more drive away.
I propose that the counties surrounding NYC be annexed to NYC. I further propose that the remainder of the state, which just happens to be the "garden" part they talk about on the license plates, be left the Hell alone. Camden and Trenton should just be disposed of entirely. NYC can then be sawed off and left to float out to sea, or something.
I would also be OK with Pennsylvania taking over our part of the state, so long as they knock off all the Philadelphia politics that's creeping out (same people/land problem there too).
Essex, Passaic, Camden, Mercer, Middlesex, Union, Hudson, and Bergen.
Combined, those eight counties have 5,065,901 (as per Wikipedia and 2012 census numbers). They also share a combined land area of 1,521 square miles. The entire state has 8,864,590 people and is 1,521 square miles in size.
In other words, 57% of the people in NJ live in 17% of the land. Where I live, people have guns, and horses, and acres of land. I run into my kids music teacher at the hardware store and we talk about guns, and chickens, and other such topics. All of these counties and the filthy cities within them are an hour or more drive away.
I propose that the counties surrounding NYC be annexed to NYC. I further propose that the remainder of the state, which just happens to be the "garden" part they talk about on the license plates, be left the Hell alone. Camden and Trenton should just be disposed of entirely. NYC can then be sawed off and left to float out to sea, or something.
I would also be OK with Pennsylvania taking over our part of the state, so long as they knock off all the Philadelphia politics that's creeping out (same people/land problem there too).
I been a regular contributor to http://njgunforums.com/forum/ for awhile. I did a several write ups here and there on the history of the FID law and other firearms related laws through the past century.
I been trying to come up with ideas to help the situation. I have a few friends who live out that way. Some of them are gun neutral, neither for or against. But they are leaving the state in a few years because of the high taxes and other issues.
Educating the public is first and foremost, try to get more women involved in firearms. Oklahoma just made the news recently by someone starting an all women firearm training group.
The main problem besides the politicians, is that damned FID card. Get rid of that and you will have more people owning firearms. Multiple fees for the FPID, long waiting periods of weeks to months to get it , fingerprints , intrusive reference letters to the employer required by some towns, then another fee the state NICS fee of $18 are all contributing to lower firearms ownership.
Yet another problem is that people are leaving the state and not staying and fighting. (Can you blame them?) . There is no easy answer, except try to elect pro-gun politicians and educating the public.
TheSaint
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I hear you! Having lived in both CA and IL, there are few states more anti-gun than those. Many, many good folks live in anti-gun states. In fact, the majority of Americans regardless of where they live are fairly pro-gun, or at least not strongly anti-gun.
It is the political powers that be and a few noisy troublemakers that advocate for gun control, not the vast majority of the populous. This is even true for states like IL, CA, NJ, NY and so forth. Gun control isn't so much a state issue, it is a big city elite versus everybody else issue.
OilyPablo
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I try to help other states. I did my best for CO and NY. Man from CA was asking for help on another board - I must say the consensus is "You are on your own, because CA is too far gone". Not sure this is the healthiest thing - but sometimes battles must be chosen wisely.
TheSaint
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Keep in mind folks that unconstitutional laws that are put on the books in ANY STATE give other legislatures stare decisis power to try and follow in their wake. Not to mention, we are all citizens and free men that should look out for our brothers behind enemy lines. Leave no man behind!
I believe Illinois and Massachusetts got their Firearms ID Card idea from New Jersey when NJ went that route all the way back in 1966. Illinois started their FOID in 1968 and Massachusetts FID scheme sometime later than that.
On the other hand there started to be push backs to all the anti-gun legislation in the 1980's and 1990's. I believe when some Illinois communities banned handgun ownership. Kennesaw Georgia made it a law that one must have a firearm in the home. That made headlines and made people take notice.
The Brady Bill and Assault weapons ban led to a push back where many states were passing pro conceal carry laws in the 1990's. All this anti-gun talk by the media and by the politicians are spurring people to buy firearms and ammo like it is going out of style.
People don't know what NJ gun owners have to put up in that state, unless one lives there or knows someone real well or does research on the laws of that state. I think the NRA and GOA need to look into what is going on with NJ with its anti-gun laws and what gun owners have to deal with.
No, the doctrine of stare decisis applies only in court and only within the particular court system in which the precedential ruling was made. So a ruling by the X Circuit does not apply by stare decisis in Y circuit, although Y Circuit could choose to follow it.TheSaint said:
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Ever since Christie did his buddy dance with the POTUS right before the reelection and bandied against Romney with his hurricane jibberish, I lost all of my respect for him.
3GunEric
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I was born and lived for 21 years within sight of NJ. (S.E.PA) Years would go by w/o us ever entering that state. Anyone who thinks now is a good time to leave has had their head in the sand since 1970.
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NJ Senate president Stephen Sweeney also has the Barrett .50 BMG on his proposed list of new laws, and neither Sweeney nor Christie are planning to introduce legislation to expand the state's current AWB, ban internet ammo sales, or reduce magazine capacity below the current 15 rounds.
I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Christie and Sweeney went out for coffee together and came up with this as a compromise. I
The NJ Assembly has proposed some Draconian legislation that's even worse than what's been passed or is proposed for NY, CT, MD, CA, DC and IL. Otherwise, much of the stuff Christie is proposing (like photo ID) is already being done, this just formalizes it.
A ban on new Barrett .50 BMG sales in the state is a sop to the gun grabbers in the NJ Assembly. The state is small and densely populated. The only place to shoot a Barrett .50 BMG that I know of in New Jersey is at Fort Dix, and it's by appointment only. This would most likely affect only a handful of people. If Sweeney needed to bring something back for his party, this is the one that would affect the fewest. Not that it's right, but at least the gun grabbers (including his likely opponent in November) can't accuse Christie of being in the pocket of the NRA.
I'm not agreeing with any of it, but compared to what other deep blue states have done recently or are planning to do, this isn't as bad. I really wish the SC would decide that the 2A really means what it says, and throw out all of these restrictions, but I don't expect it.
It's sad, but judged by number of new laws signed, Christie is the most conservative governor New Jersey has had in the last 168 years. http://www.app.com/article/20130126/NJNEWS1002/301260106/New-N-J-laws-from-last-session-168-year-low
Almost the entire state of New Jersey is within commuting distance of Pennsylvania. It's not impossible for most of us to move there.
NJ Senate president Stephen Sweeney also has the Barrett .50 BMG on his proposed list of new laws, and neither Sweeney nor Christie are planning to introduce legislation to expand the state's current AWB, ban internet ammo sales, or reduce magazine capacity below the current 15 rounds.
I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Christie and Sweeney went out for coffee together and came up with this as a compromise. I
The NJ Assembly has proposed some Draconian legislation that's even worse than what's been passed or is proposed for NY, CT, MD, CA, DC and IL. Otherwise, much of the stuff Christie is proposing (like photo ID) is already being done, this just formalizes it.
A ban on new Barrett .50 BMG sales in the state is a sop to the gun grabbers in the NJ Assembly. The state is small and densely populated. The only place to shoot a Barrett .50 BMG that I know of in New Jersey is at Fort Dix, and it's by appointment only. This would most likely affect only a handful of people. If Sweeney needed to bring something back for his party, this is the one that would affect the fewest. Not that it's right, but at least the gun grabbers (including his likely opponent in November) can't accuse Christie of being in the pocket of the NRA.
I'm not agreeing with any of it, but compared to what other deep blue states have done recently or are planning to do, this isn't as bad. I really wish the SC would decide that the 2A really means what it says, and throw out all of these restrictions, but I don't expect it.
It's sad, but judged by number of new laws signed, Christie is the most conservative governor New Jersey has had in the last 168 years. http://www.app.com/article/20130126/NJNEWS1002/301260106/New-N-J-laws-from-last-session-168-year-low
Almost the entire state of New Jersey is within commuting distance of Pennsylvania. It's not impossible for most of us to move there.
JRH6856
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The problem being that allowing anything to be regulated sets a precedent that anything can be regulated. :banghead:
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I e-mailed Governor Christie a month ago but never received a reply about his position on the rights of gun owners. Don't count New Jersey out yet, we have persevered for years under some of the most onerous laws in the country, we are still here and our numbers are growing.
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The schedule for May and June includes 18 NRA-certified basic "First Steps” training classes in pistol, rifle and shotgun (see Training Calendar below). Over the summer and fall, the training schedule will ramp up to include full-day classes, instructor training, and other popular classes, including personal protection inside and outside the home. Women-only classes will also be available. All classes will be NRA-certified.
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TheSaint
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You are correct. Sorry, I didn't word that properly. My point is that when a bad law is passed (related to guns or anything else), other political opportunists in other parts of the country/world will use it as justification to nullify or drastically reduce individual rights and freedoms. Hopefully that makes more sense.
loose noose
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Long before the last presidential biddimg began, and having reviewed NJ's gun laws I never cared for Christie, he is definitely a RINO/Politician and will allways be. I didn't much care for Romney either but he did beat the heck out of the alternative. Sure would be nice to have a non politician running for an important political position.
xXxplosive
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As a life long resident of NJ, IMO nothing will ever change as long as the people here keep on electing Lawyers, Prosecutors, Judges and alike......the corruption begins there.
On Chris Christie: He is a fiscal conservative when it is clear that the NJ budget was in dire trouble. He did for NJ what IL, CA, MI, RI, etc, will not do for themselves. We can commend him for that.
Otherwise, he is a liberal by most every definition of the word.
Otherwise, he is a liberal by most every definition of the word.
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