"No Guns Allowed Sign" in Lexington, KY.

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Honestly, if you're paranoid about being shot and killed on a quick beer run then you should consider moving somewhere safer.
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Dark Knight,

I wish we all had a little crystal ball like you do so we could predict exactly when and where potential dangers exist. Unfortunately, I have no such device. Actually, a liquor store with a big "no guns" sign on the door looks like a prime candidate for a robbery to me.

It's funny watching all the people who love to say that someone has a right to do what they want on their property bitch and moan about someone doing what they want on their property.
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There is one big difference... the private liquor store is publicly accessible. My home is not publicly accessible. You are mixing apples an hand grenades.

Honestly, your sarcastic comments lack any resemblance of intellectual fortitude. If you are here to attack and annoy other patrons... mission accomplished. If you are trying to tactfully argue your opposing views, try choosing your words with a bit more digression.

You only have a small hand full of posts here, and already you are well on your way to winning the THR "favorite poster" contest (I am sure that with your infinitely brilliant sense of sarcasm you ought to effortlessly pick up the scent of it here).
 
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Dark Knight, i really hope you are kidding, i had a altercation when i was driving from my house to drop off my niece 5 minutes away which ended up with the corrections officer being locked up after he pointed his 1911 at my car and family.

i was thinking last minute if i should bring my snubbie or not thinking to my self that its just a few minutes through the GOOD part of town and back and i shouldn't need it. well last second i grabbed it and thank god i did because i would have been helpless to defend my family otherwise.

so really don't try to push your ideas or thoughts on others and say oh you are too paranoid when you really, clearly, have no idea.

for a good read on my situation check here.
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=429837
 
The Buds in Lex. is a retail store. Tho they do sell "LE only" guns. For whatever reason.
 
There are 2 Bud's Gun Shops. One is in Paris, Ky. The other is in Lexinton. Here are the addresses:

Bud's Gun Shop
4115 Lexington Rd.
Paris Ky
(859)987-8261


Bud's Police Supply
1123 Winchester Rd.
Lexington
Ky. 40505
(859)368-0417


P.S. Where are the 1000 Liberal Hippie Lunatics? I've lived here for 15 years and haven't seen them. Just the normal mix of freaks, geeks, whack-o's, space cadets, hicks, posers, and everyday people you find in any other college town of 250,000 people.
 
I'm sorry, it is not my intention to offend anyone or start trouble. I guess I just worded my argument wrong, I'm sorry I came off insultive.
 
Received this reply to my email today:

Hello,

The sign that you noticed at Hamburg yesterday is not a new sign, it was just moved from the lower part of the door to the middle of the door. (I think this happened when the windows were being cleaned) The reason we have this sign posted is because we have a license to sell alcohol by the drink for consumption on our premises.

Sincerely,


Donna Gilmer
Asst. General Manager
Liquor Barns, Lexington
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If this is true, this makes them bar, which is off limits to firearms. Anyone seen these at their other stores?
 
Having a license to sell by the drink, and being set up to sell by the drink, are not the same thing. If they don't actually use that license, does it still apply?

Is it the same license for bars as for basic retail stores that don't dispense? If so, then her explanation appears to be lame.
 
I plan to move to KY --I hope there are not many of these antigunners there,,,
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This is Lexington. Lexington is one of the few liberal areas in kentucky and is one of the few places you will find fanatical anti-gunners. If you stick to suburban Kentucky, (away from major cities) some people might not approve of guns, hover they most likely won't be the people who take it seriously. I believe that an above-average number of people in Kentucky neighborhoods away from the major cities at least knew how to shoot. And others will be pro-gun. Rural Kentucky is probably the most pro-gun, however, it's often very poor.

Aslo, tornadoes there are insane, so buy a house with a basement. And whatever you do, avoid the "white blossom" neighborhood.
 
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Here is the text of the referenced statute:

244.125 Prohibition against possession of loaded firearm in room where alcoholic beverages are being sold by the drink.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (3) of this section, no person shall be in possession of a loaded, as defined in KRS 237.060, firearm while actually within the room where alcoholic beverages are being sold by the drink of a building on premises licensed to sell distilled spirits and wine at retail by the drink for consumption on the licensed premises pursuant to KRS Chapter 243.
(2) This section shall not apply to the owner manager, or employee of licensed premises, law enforcement officers, or special local peace officers commissioned pursuant to KRS 61.360.
(3) This section shall not apply to a bona fide restaurant open to the general public having dining facilities for not less than fifty (50) persons and which receives at least fifty percent (50%) of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food.
(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed as permitting the carrying of a concealed deadly weapon in violation of KRS 527.020.
(5) Any firearm possessed in violation of this section shall be subject to forfeiture and shall be disposed of pursuant to KRS 237.090.
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This is the statute that applies to bars and is not the toothless one where all they can do is ask you to leave, so ignoring it is not an option for me. I suspect they have their "by the drink" license due to their frequent wine and bourbon tastings. As for going somewhere else, I usually do, but my occasional trips to Lexington are an opportunity to stop here and get things unavailable anywhere else. While I can find bourbons like Woodford Reserve, Knob Creek, and even Four Roses Single Barrel locally, things like Rowan's Creek and Basil Haydn are not available. And you simply cannot buy a decent beer in Eastern Kentucky.
 
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Yes, I live in the "Spawling Suburbs" of Lexington. My neighbor on one side is a retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. The neighbor on the other side is a plumber. The woman accross the street is a police officer. All are shooters. Guess I just don't know a screaming liberal hippie when I see one.:scrutiny:
Lexington is a very conservitive, generally gun-friendly town. Yes we do have a large university and a small, private, very elite univesity. The local newspaper is a left wing rag suitable for lining your bird cage. However, most of the citizens here are your average, hardworking Americans.
 
Actually, a liquor store with a big "no guns" sign on the door looks like a prime candidate for a robbery to me.
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KB; no business does; or should; rely on private citizens to protect their business or their property. Just because there's a "No Firearm" sign on the door of a liquor store, doesn't mean that the business owner doesn't have a weapon for such situations. Again, private citizens are not expected to protect a private business. And if you were in a liquor store and it was held up; and you personally did not have a gun pointed to you and your life was in immediate danger; you'd be hard pressed to say you pulled a gun and fired.

There is one big difference... the private liquor store is publicly accessible. My home is not publicly accessible. You are mixing apples an hand grenades.
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No apples and oranges here. There is NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. There is no reason at all in the world that requires you to enter that business establishment other than by CHOICE. You don't have to be there. Same if it was a home based business selling candles. Same as if you were invited to a friend's house for a BBQ. If the home based candle shop or friend said they didn't want you carrying a gun, you should comply or CHOOSE not to go into their house/business. If the liquor store has a sign, then you should comply or CHOOSE not go into their business. This is VERY SIMPLE. To disagree is NOT a matter of difference of opinion. It's a matter of rationalizing that because you have a RIGHT to carry a gun, that somehow you have a RIGHT to go into someone's BUSINESS. YOU DON'T!!!!! You have absolutely NO RIGHT to go into someone's business property. You have the privilege to go into their business. The ONLY right you retain on that property, is the RIGHT to the 4th amendment of protection from unreasonable search or seizure. In other words, you have the RIGHT to leave and NOT be detained. And even this constitutional right would be a stretch, because the bill of rights are limitations on the government. If a person held you against your will, that would be a civil crime. Any other "RIGHT" that you "THINK" you have on another person's private property, does not exist. It is a privilege and nothing more. And do not confuse this with "Consumer Rights" or other PC phrases like "Patient's Bill of Rights" which are totally different set of laws. Those are legal rights towards "Products and Services" and has nothing to do with civil/constitutional rights.
 
No apples and oranges here. There is NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever. There is no reason at all in the world that requires you to enter that business establishment other than by CHOICE. You don't have to be there. Same if it was a home based business selling candles. Same as if you were invited to a friend's house for a BBQ. If the home based candle shop or friend said they didn't want you carrying a gun, you should comply or CHOOSE not to go into their house/business. If the liquor store has a sign, then you should comply or CHOOSE not go into their business. This is VERY SIMPLE. To disagree is NOT a matter of difference of opinion. It's a matter of rationalizing that because you have a RIGHT to carry a gun, that somehow you have a RIGHT to go into someone's BUSINESS. YOU DON'T!!!!! You have absolutely NO RIGHT to go into someone's business property. You have the privilege to go into their business. The ONLY right you retain on that property, is the RIGHT to the 4th amendment of protection from unreasonable search or seizure. In other words, you have the RIGHT to leave and NOT be detained. And even this constitutional right would be a stretch, because the bill of rights are limitations on the government. If a person held you against your will, that would be a civil crime. Any other "RIGHT" that you "THINK" you have on another person's private property, does not exist. It is a privilege and nothing more. And do not confuse this with "Consumer Rights" or other PC phrases like "Patient's Bill of Rights" which are totally different set of laws. Those are legal rights towards "Products and Services" and has nothing to do with civil/constitutional rights.
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Well said.
 
I live in Louisville, and the only place I've been to that has sign is Dick's sporting goods on Hurstbourne Ln. Naturally I ignored it an no one was the wiser (CCW).Other than that, no problems in Louisville, apparently you don't live here Fireman.
 
I live in Louisville, and the only place I've been to that has sign is Dick's sporting goods on Hurstbourne Ln.
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I was in both of the Lexington stores the other day, and I didn't see one on either, though I could have easily missed it. I was also in two bookstores, Sears, a mall, Sportsman's Warehouse, Best Buy, a doctor's office, and two restaurants which served alcohol, and the only sign I noticed was the one at the Liquor Barn. In their defense, I want to point out that this was not the owner's option posting, but that they apparently fall under the restrictions applied to bars due to their wine and bourbon tastings. Therefore, I will not be excoriating them over this incident.
 
I was in both of the Lexington stores the other day, and I didn't see one on either, though I could have easily missed it. I was also in two bookstores, Sears, a mall, Sportsman's Warehouse, Best Buy, a doctor's office, and two restaurants which served alcohol, and the only sign I noticed was the one at the Liquor Barn. In their defense, I want to point out that this was not the owner's option posting, but that they apparently fall under the restrictions applied to bars due to their wine and bourbon tastings. Therefore, I will not be excoriating them over this incident
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I should probably clarify, what the sign at Dick's actually says is something to the effect that you have to "check in" your firearm to the manager or the front desk. I don't know about you guys but I'm not handing over my weapons to ANYONE!:D
 
I want to point out that this was not the owner's option posting, but that they apparently fall under the restrictions applied to bars due to their wine and bourbon tastings.
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That explains the one at Kroger liquor store, seams every time I go in there they want me to take a shot, or sample this or that. I am not a huge fan of the drinking and driving, not that this would be the case, but it would be my luck I would get pulled over in the parking lot with sample bourbon on my breath. Now, get me home and its a different matter...........
 
"It's funny watching all the people who love to say that someone has a right to do what they want on their property bitch and moan about someone doing what they want on their property."

+1

"There is one big difference... the private liquor store is publicly accessible. My home is not publicly accessible. You are mixing apples an hand grenades. "

It is still private property thus the owners should be able to do as he please IMO.
 
I should probably clarify, what the sign at Dick's actually says is something to the effect that you have to "check in" your firearm to the manager or the front desk. I don't know about you guys but I'm not handing over my weapons to ANYONE!
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I've seen these signs at some gun stores and I'm sure they only refer to guns you are bringing in for possible trade/service/etc., not your carry. They want to verify that they are unloaded before they are handled in the store.
 
It is still private property thus the owners should be able to do as he please IMO.
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How about blanket prohibitions for other "undesirable" members of society? African-Americans? Hispanics? The Disabled? The Obese? Veterans?

If your facility is "open to the public", it should be "open to the public", unless a specific individual is causing harm or disturbance. CCW holders generally don't cause harm or disturbance. :)
 
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