No I won’t make you ammo!!
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You computer guys are always angry. Lol.
Targa
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I must be a blessed guy, I only have a few friends but they would give the shirt off their back and I would do the same for them. I gladly reload for them.
GeoDudeFlorida
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LOL!! I get that.My wife is part Scottish and she said I cannot work on other people's roofs, just hers.
And please, apply that to reloading only ... Really.
I was making a vague reference to “MacBeth.” Or maybe I should say “veiled reference.”
. “Out damm spot...” and all that. Anywho, I do reload for my neighbors who have a need to vermin and varmint control in lean times. They repay by being good neighbors all the time - which I hope I am, too - and every once in a while I get a discount on half a cow or a goat gone lame, eggs of course, and the one lady farms berries so we get first shot (pun in 10 did) U-Pick when the season comes around and they get to use our property for their free ranging when the pastures need maintenance. It’s a good place to live and good people to live around. Would one sue me if a reload blowed up a gun? Don’t know. Probably. Pretty easy to prevent, though. I just won’t make any bad loads. 
illinoisburt
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Sometimes the gun is too pretty or the deal so good that it must not be declined. I do get a chuckle out of the occasional inquiry from some folks who know I reload and *might* have some stock of ammunition or components. I agree the standard reply is, "that's awesome, I would love to teach you how to reload. Let's see where you can buy some equipment and supplies." Seems like the conversation always wanders away to some other topics shortly thereafter when they realize I don't already have tooling for the 7STW or 218 Bee or whatever else they uncovered and low that stuff is just as rare and expensive as the non-existent ammo not found on the shelf.
He wonders why I don’t talk to him like I used to. Hey, I’m out of town for work can you cut my grass cause the HOA will flip out. I get there and his 20yo son is shacked up with his girlfriend in the house alone. When I ask why the kid isn’t cutting the grass he says cause he’s a marine and he’s home on leave. He then didn’t like the way I cut the grass. Well I’m not taking 3hrs to do a checker board pattern on your yard that’s got so much crap in it you’d think it’s a miniature golf course. It’s always do me a favor because 15yrs ago I helped you.Axis II: I’ve got a “friend” who i pretty much only hear from when he wants something
Me: People who only call/text you when they want something from you are not "friends"
Besides, "High Road" reloaders don't shoot other people's reloads (Rule #1 of reloading safety) and don't allow others to shoot their reloads (Rule #2 of reloading safety) because no one is perfect and we all make mistakes and stuff can go BOOM and stuff with blood everywhere and people crying and stuff too ... Then lawsuits get filed and ..."friendships" get ruined and stuff ... You know.
If you want to be a good "friend", you can tell them, "I can help you set up to reload" but if they just want you to reload for them, I think it's time you need different friends, you know the kind that acts like real friends to hunt down primers and powder and bring them to you as "gifts".
Mark_Mark
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the young one’s in Seattle are not angry, kindda emotional less
stillquietvoice
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My wife is part Scottish and she said I cannot work on other people's roofs, just hers.
And please, apply that to reloading only ... Really.
I met THR members face to face and by phone and all have been positive experiences. Even went shooting with some.
And I would extend an offer for nice meal with whoever member I meet, my treat.
Too bad we're on opposite coasts. I went shooting with a forum member on July 4th this fear, I hunt with him and onother, as much as I can, work interferes too much with hunting.
It's great spending time with like minded friends.
@Officers'Wife that's a great avatar. Haven't seen, heard or felt the ground shake, from one of those in a long time. The one I remember most was at Gettysburg, a jersey drawn piece set up on drainage 15 ft above my cav company and didn't notice us until they'd fired a couple rds. They were going to move for us but we said keep going.
BJung
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I've never met anyone that wanted me to reload for them. In fact, I would like someone to shoot my cast bullets so i can see how well they expand. My family doesn't like shooting my reloads. They instead buy new factory ammo and I collect the brass.
AJC1
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That sounds a lot like a steady free brass supply. Heck loan them guns your low on brass for...
Officers'Wife
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Ah, yes. Familial extortion. A grande auld tradition.
Y’all must be of Scottish ancestry.
Not that I know of, French and Dutch on Mom's side and Philippine on Dad's. What makes my family claims interesting is after my mother died her cousin adopted me. However, as the youngest I still have the exclusive right to call my big brother an idiot.
StillquietVoice - I stole the picture from a reenactment website. However when my uncle was still alive he used to build the things. At one time he had 18 "20 pounders" in one of his outbuildings. Fortunately he could only find five others to light the quills but even six fired in volley made the windows shake at Dad's house a quarter mile away. The cows were not happy.
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sevt_chevelle
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Never had anyone ask for ammo, then again am quiet and not overly nice.
Sometimes being an ***** pays off in life.
Sometimes being an ***** pays off in life.
BJung
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I also offer friends and neighbors who have not shooting experience to join me at the range. I'll provide maybe 20-30 reloads for free and then they have to provide their own ammo (factory). I show them how to assemble and disassemble a gun to emphasize that it's a machine, the safety rules to emphasize shooters at the range are responsible and safe, and how to aim and shoot. After we finish, I hope they become pro-gun supporters and I get brass too.That sounds a lot like a steady free brass supply. Heck loan them guns your low on brass for...
Wait until people find out you were a mechanic 10 years ago, and even though you sold your tools, and left the industry, you still should work on their car (free of course). "Oh and I'm going to need my car, so can you do it at my house after 10:00?"....
Your also expected to pay for expendables and special tools and any parts they forgot. They'll pay you back of course.... someday.
That said, I say one thing to people who ask for reloads:
"No, if something goes wrong, regardless of the cause, I'm getting sued. I don't care if you promise you won't, your insurance company will. They will win. I will pay. I can help you with buying equipment, setup, and show you what you need to know, but that's it".
For anyone who has never been injured, or had a dependent injured here is what happens,
1: Go to hospital/doctor
2: Get billed.
3: Get hounded by your insurer to tell them how it happened and who they can sue.
4: Get told by your insurer there may be a discount on the bill if they can recover money. There probably won't be anything for you.
5: Repeat until you give up or lie.
99% of your friends will sell you out as soon as the medical insurance company says that they should. Once they hear the guy on the phone say "settlement" and "oh the insurance will cover it, your friend won't have to pay a thing" you can bet your getting sued.
If your friend doesn't have medical insurance, a few dozen aggressive collection calls and a financer at the hospital saying the same thing will get the job done.
There is too much to go wrong.
I once had a box of reloaded .45 ACP.
It was NOT "up for grabs" as the guy said he thought it was.
A 1911 blew up that day in a minor way. No real damage, but a lot of smoke, and the gun was locked up bad.
I asked what happened and he said without a hint of hesitation "It was your reloads!, there's something wrong with them!"
A few minutes of hammering and I got it open. It was a .40 S/W. I don't load .40, and I had no .40 that day. It was his, and he put it in a .45.
Immediate panic following the incident was "its your fault, you owe me!".
Your also expected to pay for expendables and special tools and any parts they forgot. They'll pay you back of course.... someday.
That said, I say one thing to people who ask for reloads:
"No, if something goes wrong, regardless of the cause, I'm getting sued. I don't care if you promise you won't, your insurance company will. They will win. I will pay. I can help you with buying equipment, setup, and show you what you need to know, but that's it".
For anyone who has never been injured, or had a dependent injured here is what happens,
1: Go to hospital/doctor
2: Get billed.
3: Get hounded by your insurer to tell them how it happened and who they can sue.
4: Get told by your insurer there may be a discount on the bill if they can recover money. There probably won't be anything for you.
5: Repeat until you give up or lie.
99% of your friends will sell you out as soon as the medical insurance company says that they should. Once they hear the guy on the phone say "settlement" and "oh the insurance will cover it, your friend won't have to pay a thing" you can bet your getting sued.
If your friend doesn't have medical insurance, a few dozen aggressive collection calls and a financer at the hospital saying the same thing will get the job done.
There is too much to go wrong.
I once had a box of reloaded .45 ACP.
It was NOT "up for grabs" as the guy said he thought it was.
A 1911 blew up that day in a minor way. No real damage, but a lot of smoke, and the gun was locked up bad.
I asked what happened and he said without a hint of hesitation "It was your reloads!, there's something wrong with them!"
A few minutes of hammering and I got it open. It was a .40 S/W. I don't load .40, and I had no .40 that day. It was his, and he put it in a .45.
Immediate panic following the incident was "its your fault, you owe me!".
I said this in my previous post, but I'll post it here by itself.
The injured person will be told by his lawyer, his insurer, his other friends, family and anyone else in the chain the following:
"Oh its ok, their insurance will cover it, your friend won't have to pay anything".
That may or may not be true in your case, but what is true is that nearly everyone gets on board the settlement wagon.
The injured person will be told by his lawyer, his insurer, his other friends, family and anyone else in the chain the following:
"Oh its ok, their insurance will cover it, your friend won't have to pay anything".
That may or may not be true in your case, but what is true is that nearly everyone gets on board the settlement wagon.
I would have told that guy find another friend. No one shoots my stuff but me and my woman. I double check every charge. Anything I don’t know what it is gets pulled and thrown away. My BiL put a 9 in a 40 and ended up shooting the ceiling of an indoor range and he’s a freakin cop.
AJC1
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Wait till they lower the standards for cops like they did naval recruiting. A 10 on the asvab no gets you in. I got a 93 and almost failed high school. Maybe I should have gone to school more ha ha ha.
Bcwitt
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If they keep insisting, accept. Keep track of ALL YOUR TIME & print out an invoice. That should make it very clear what the cost of reloading actually is. If someone wants to buy a $1800 case of 55fmj 556, i will most definately load for them.
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BIZERKO666
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I reload for only two people, myself and my son (34 years old)and 99.9% of the time he is with me when I shoot.
Everyone else can either buy their own or kiss my ass. I'm tired of the "I'll pay you for them". Well if you're willing to do that you should be willing to buy your own and save me the liability.
Everyone else can either buy their own or kiss my ass. I'm tired of the "I'll pay you for them". Well if you're willing to do that you should be willing to buy your own and save me the liability.
kalielkslayer
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I guess I’m in the minority.
I load primarily for my son and stepson, and myself of course. Every BD and Xmas they get reloads, gun parts, warm clothing. I want them to shoot 1/2 as much as me so if I have to provide the ammo, that’s fine.
Friends? Yep, a couple. They never ask. I throw them 100 .223 or 9mm reloads occasionally. But these are the same guys that’ll be at my place when it’s under attack, no matter who’s attacking.
And I want them to be proficient!!!
I load primarily for my son and stepson, and myself of course. Every BD and Xmas they get reloads, gun parts, warm clothing. I want them to shoot 1/2 as much as me so if I have to provide the ammo, that’s fine.
Friends? Yep, a couple. They never ask. I throw them 100 .223 or 9mm reloads occasionally. But these are the same guys that’ll be at my place when it’s under attack, no matter who’s attacking.
And I want them to be proficient!!!
The only people shooting my reloads beside myself are my wife and daughter. I also only know one other person who's reloads I will shoot because he pretty much mentored me from the beginning, and still mentors me to this day. And his reloads are shot from his guns, because those are the guns he's worked up the loads for.
it is from learning 3 masters degrees of material every 6 months for decades
buck460XVR
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Yeah, we all have a few "friends" like that. Being in construction for 40 years, I got a lot of requests for "help". Usually it was "You just need to get me started" or "we'll be glad to pay you what it's worth!". Majority of the time it was to the completion of the project and that pay was generally a few beers and some hot dogs on the grill. Not really worth giving up my time and I quickly learned how to say "NO!" and mean it. Have had many folks that know I reload, ask me for ammo, especially now that it's hard to find. Somehow they think that components are free. Have yet to go there except for very close friends and family. One thing I dislike as much as "Moochers" are those "Debbie Downers" that get some form of pleasure by giving negativity. Your friend was obviously excited about his new gun and one reason he was desperate for ammo. While politely refusing him was well within line, the dissing of his new firearm, IMHO was not necessary. It basically lowered you to his level.
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