No more Rugers for me

[Timthinker]

MachIV, I have been angry with Ruger also. But my anger had to do with their discontinuation of Old Army percussion cap revolver, a great black powder handgun. Yet, time and good advice from our members has allowed my wrath to subside. My point is do not let one disappointment sour you on good products. In your instance, Ruger was thinking about liability issues and sales as our members have stated. Give them another chance. I assure you that my anger was greater than yours and I have gotten over it. I sincerely hope this posting helps you. Good luck.


Timthinker

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Cosmoline thank you for saving me the time of typing my reply. I agree with you word for word. As far as not buying a ruger because of the dead owners politics years ago is just plain stupid, almost as dumb as not wanting to own a vintage luger or walther because of what the nazis did.:banghead:

 

[BlackBearME]

I know we were talking about this over on taurusarmed.net, and much the same thing came up. This wasn't even a conversion - someone just wanted a new cylinder in the same size. There is a Taurus rep that occassionaly participates on the board, and he re-iterated the same thing - there are some parts that they won't just sell out-of-hand ...cylinders, hammers, other things like that.

 

[Working Man]

Perhaps this seems like an awfully hard line to draw....

Your sand your line.

Good post, just stated what happened. I for one have had Rugers all my life
and will continue to buy them. Good product at good price. Honestly I have no
idea about their CS.... read into that what you will.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Easy way to get a .327 FM cylinder for your .32 H&R Magnum chambered SP101...

STEP 1) Have your current cylinder bored for .327 FM.

STEP 2) Send your frame back to Ruger (sans new cylinder) and have them fit a replacement 32 H&R cylinder to it.

Brad

 

[Stevie-Ray]

I for one have had Rugers all my life and will continue to buy them. Good product at good price. Honestly I have no idea about their CS....

Same here; I've owned Ruger firearms since 1979, and I can't say I needed their CS, ever. And Rugers are some of the strongest built guns to this day. During the early days of the Redhawk, there were NONE that matched it for strength. Now, of course there are, but you pay a far higher price for it. I'm waiting on all the comments on the LCP, but I've pretty much decided on buying one.

 

[JonB]

If you can't understand the difference you need to study up on the corporate form.

Piss Off Cosmoline. Seriously. Save you soap box speech for someone who cares.

 

[Jamie B]

Sorry for positive input regarding Ruger CS, but..........

The hammer dog broke on my .44 Redhawk. They sent me a new one free of charge, but I was unable to drive the old pin out. When I called back to get the entire hammer assemble, I was informed that this was a Ruger installed part, and I would have to send the entire gun in.

I advised the CS rep that this would cost me better than $60. After a few minutes on hold, and speaking with her supervisor, she advised me that they would send the part. They did, and I received it 2 days later.

I was one happy camper!

Jamie

 

[Ala Dan]

Ruger* follows the rules as set forth in the Moss-Magnuson Act,
in covering civil liabilities. In other words, if you find fault with our
material and/or workmanship; we will gladly fix the problem, without
need of a law-suit~! At least thats my interpertation of the text.

* FootNote- as do many other firearms manufactuer's.

 

[Brad Johnson]

If you can't understand the difference you need to study up on the corporate form.

Piss Off Cosmoline. Seriously. Save you soap box speech for someone who cares.

A) Your reponse isn't very High Road.

B) He happens to be right.

C) Add A to B and, well... you get the picture.

Brad

 

[ColinthePilot]

I won't likely buy a ruger either, but it has nothing to do with their CS. I've shot a few of their handguns, both revolvers and pistols, and I simply don't like them. Their semi-autos dont fit my hands well, and I don't like revolvers period, so that product line is out. I do like their rimfires though, so a 10/22 might be in my future.

 

[strat81]

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/PDF/InstructionManuals/06.pdf
Check the last page. They do not offer a warranty in the legal sense of the word. If they so desire, they could tell their customers to pound sand if their guns break (state statutes not withstanding).

This does not mean they will not repair broken firearms free of charge. It does mean they are looking out for themselves before they look out for you.

It's one thing that bothers me about Ruger. Countless other gun makers don't see a problem with offering a warranty. Very odd.

 

[Working Man]

Piss Off Cosmoline. Seriously. Save you soap box speech for someone who cares.

Dude.... that was not called for. Cosmoline can and does make good arguments
without mounting an attack. Not THR.

 

[JaxNovice]

I liked cosmolines post. Smart guy!

 

[revjen45]

Suggest you contact Jack Huntington in Grass Valley, DPRK. If he can convert a Python to .41 Mag he can probably convert your Ruger. I know Jack from having attended gunsmithng school with him. If it won't work he will tell you. If it will he can do it.

 

[Hunter0924]

I also see why Ruger will not sell a part that needs to be fitted (especially a cylinder for a different caliber that is marked on the barrel).
I have owned Ruger firearms about 15 years and though I did not agree what Bill Ruger said they do make a strong revolver.
Ruger is changing their ways. S&W was forgiven so why not Ruger?

 

[jimbob86]

If I was a gun maker and you wanted to modify one of my guns so that it chambered a cartridge that puts out at least twice the pressure of the one I designed it for (20,000 cup for .32H&R mag and 45,000 psi for the .327 Federal mag), I wouldn't help you blow your hand up and sue me into the poor house either.

+1.

The same could be said of somone who would cram the .41 Mag into a Python frame. Just because it can be done, does not mean it should! For example, you COULD put rocket engines on the back of a Camry, and drive it in traffic, but that doesn't make it a prudent thing to do. Toyota would certainly not help you do that, either.

 

[Gunnerpalace]

Sounds to me like the only thing Ruger likes about civilians is their money.

 

[Werewolf]

Ruger - proof positive that you get what you pay for - which in their case isn't much no matter how ya spin it.

Are you saying Rugers are poorly made? ...

That's exactly what I'm saying.

2 Vaqueros, 45 Colt. Long story short - cylinder throats bottom of spec, bore top of speck. Results - .452 bullets suaged to .4505 then shot out of a max bore = shavings from the suaging and bullets too small to obturate in the max spec bore = mucho leading. But since the bore and cylinder throats are in spec - Ruger no fix even though the combination of one at min and one at max means lots of leading. That's why I say Ruger engineers have no clue about something as basic as tolerance stack. I know - I talked to one and the response I got when I mentioned tolerance stack was essentially what's that?

Add to that the abysmal performance of a number of P series pistols in .45 ACP and Ruger will never get another penny from me.

NOTE: Had the cylinder throats bored out to .4525 at my own expense. Result: Zero leading and groups at 25 yards that went from 6" to a little over 2".

 

[Stinger]

Sounds to me like the only thing Ruger likes about civilians is their money

It's called capitalism.

 

[stevelyn]

Even if Ruger isn't willing to sell you the part outright, they are willing to do the work for you usually for free and you can be assured that it'll be right.

However, I'd be a little more than pissed if I sent them a custom tuned gun for work and they "fixed" the custom work without my authorization.

JonB

Cosmoline is one of the most intelligent people that posts here. Having a difference in opinion is one thing. A personal attack is all together another and completely uncalled for.

 

[ravencon]

Piss Off Cosmoline. Seriously. Save you soap box speech for someone who cares.

Way out of line. Grow up.

 

[MachIVshooter]

Boy, this is sure the high road to take on a company that is just starting to reshape it's views toward the carry movement....

I swore off their auto's as soon as they started with the loaded chamber indicators. Ruger has always tried to lawyer-proof their handguns, but LCI's take it to a level I won't tolerate.

First, DA revolver cylinders do need to be fitted, or at least checked for proper timing by someone qualified to do it.
If they sell it to you, and you put it in and hurt yourself, you can sue them!

Try suing a company for defective product if you modified it. There was a case many moons ago against Chrysler regarding an incident in which the brakes on a Caravan failed and people died. Chrysler won the case, as the brake calipers had been replaced by the customer with aftermarket units that used steel rather than phenolic pistons. Once a prioduct is altered, the manufacturer assumes no liability of any failure that can be linked to the modification.

I also offered to sign an affidavit stating that I assumed full resposibilty.

I'm not buying any of the liability nonsense. No court would uphold a ruling in favor of the plaintiff if said plaintiff's injury was caused by misuse of the product. Hence, if someone did not properly install the cylinder and the gun blew up, their problem. Besides, with a signed affidavit, Ruger wouldn't even have to worry about seeing the inside of a courtroom, let alone actually go to trial.

Second, why would they want to allow one of their guns out there with a cylinder that doesn't match the caliber marking on the barrel?

Because the new cylinder can handle the cartridge indicated on the barrel.

Third, they are in business to sell new guns.
That's what they do.
That's the reason they brought out the .327 Federal in the SP101 in the first place, to sell more new guns!

This I know. And I made it perfectly clear to them that none of that revenue would come from me.

I am well aware the significant increase in pressure going from .32 H&R to .327 FM, which I why I wanted a new cylinder, rather than punching mine out. But at this point, I'll either ream my cylinder once reamers become available, or wait for S&W to bring out their .327. Better guns anyway.

And FWIW, the companies I've bought parts from in the past didn't have items that they wouldn't sell. Wanna buy a barrel? A Bolt? No problem. You know these need to be fitted, right? Good. Here's the price. That's how it should be.

 

[Spyvie]

I swore off their auto's as soon as they started with the loaded chamber indicators.

I'm not a huge fan of Ruger centerfire autos, but they are cheap, reliable and very durable. I do own a newer P95, and I'm not aware of a loaded chamber indicator on this gun... but maybe I'm blind.

Rugers are the guns of my youth, back in the day in AZ everyone had a Single Six, and the coolest gun in the neighborhood was my buddies Redhawk. Again, I guess I'm blind or ignorant... because I will always be a Ruger fan.

 

[iamkris]

MachIVshooter wroteNo court would uphold a ruling in favor of the plaintiff if said plaintiff's injury was caused by misuse of the product.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Did you really just say that? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Why do you think we had to get tort reform to hold firearms companies not responsible for "gun violence"? Because juries were awarding damages, paid by gun companies, for the criminal misuse of their product.

Why do you think McDonald's coffee has a "Warning: Contents are HOT" sign? Because juries think they should award damages against McD's when some idiot spills their coffee.

How about "don't stick your hand under the lawn mower" signs? Or any one of a million "idiot warnings" that exist.

Seriously, were you joking when you said that?