NRA: Chris Cox Resigns

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Those things did it for myself and most people I know that have withheld support. Outside of the internet I don’t know one person that knows and cares about “Waynegate

The following PS is from one of the more effective "Gun Safety" groups.

"P.S. We wanted to make sure you heard about two big developments. First, the NRA has canceled NRATV. Everytown and Moms Demand Action have time and again spoken out against the hate and extremism broadcast from the NRA's television network. And now it's over. Second, the NRA's second-in-command, Chris Cox, resigned yesterday amidst the recent lawsuits and investigations the NRA's leadership is dealing with. We'll make sure to keep you updated on these developments in the coming weeks." EveryTown 6/27/19

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The reason none of this bovine feces happens in Giffords, EveryTown, MomsDemand &c is because all those groups are funded by multi-billionaires.
 
Gun Safety Groups and Billionaires: That may be. Looks like they are soliciting money over the net. People do know about the scandal. These gun safety groups are getting more traction. Facts of life. Personally, I have a substantial investment in shooting gear. I'm not entirely comfortable with some of this recent 2A representation.

Addendum: There is a feeling among many concerning the scandal that it stinks to high heaven and has really done a world of damage. There is a "I told you so" from the "gun safety" people.
 
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When was the last time you saw a prime time broadcast network ad for the NRA? Now when was the last time a broadcast network gave free airtime, by reporting their protesting, to gun ban groups?
I am specifying ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC that broadcast over the air free to everyone with an antenna.
 
Their initial support of the final bump stock review and their indifference to the full on ban of them. Their support of red flag laws did it for some people. The fact that they in large part ignore the anti gun things Trump does and says.

Those things did it for myself and most people I know that have withheld support. Outside of the internet I don’t know one person that knows and cares about “Waynegate”

Please go back and read post #157
 
Addendum: Nobody has given me an answer. What caused the membership and contributions to drop before Waynegate?

What is “Waynegate”?

When did “Waynegate” begin?

What is your source of information for the drop in contributions and membership?

Assuming you have a reliable source for contributions and membership dropping what evidence do you have it is a result of anger at WLP and not because gun owners becoming complacent as a result of having a Pro-Gun President and Senate?
 
What is “Waynegate”?

It's all about Wayne. That business about the complacent gun owners looks like it has backfired on these folks. Some posters here have spoken of being betrayed recently by POTUS.

Waynegate started with Ollie's letter and the so-called coup. It appears as if this misuse of money has been going on for some time.You pick the start time.

The drop in membership and financial problems came from the NRA when faced with bankruptcy. The membership and money was in the news.

The anger is at the way the NRA is managed. NRATV was highly offensive to some. Those people "voted with their feet." You can read this thread and get a good view, pro and con, of this damaging scandal and corrupt management.

Addendum: How do you explain the powerlessness of the ordinary member in the NRA. Looks like a dictatorship to me. How about you? I don;t like this Wayne's World.
 
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"Waynegate" is about your dislike of WLP.

"Waynegate" started on April 27h when the Ollie "The Rat" North resigned from his position with the NRA.

You have not posted any independent credible reports of NRA membership and contributions dropping since April 27th due to "Waynegate'"

You have not posted any independent credible reports of NRA membership and contributions dropping for other reasons.

There has not been any proof of "misuse" of money by WLP. The information that Ollie "The Rat" North released was embarrassing and misleading but if it was approved by the BoD does not mean it was illegal or improper. If you bother to read the letter in Post #163 you will see tht WLP clothing allowance was "discontinued some time ago;"

The NRA is not bankrupt. Billionaires like Bloomberg and corrupt State Officials in New York State are trying to bankrupt it.

I will ask you this one simple question:

Since you want WLP removed from the NRA what person do you want hired to replace him?

It is easy to throw hand grenades but assuming you are a NRA member you should be coming up with solutions.

p.s. Since membership in the NRA is entirely voluntary you are not forced to a member of a "dictatorship" organization. You can resign or refuse to join at any time without fear of being put in front of a fired squad.
 
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As a life member I will continue to exercise my right to vote for board members for what little apparent good that seems to do. I will also continue to refuse all solisitations for additional funds while telling the solicitor exactly why I am not giving. When the leadership had changed and transparency restored I will start giving financial support again.
 
"Waynegate" is about your dislike of WLP.

"Waynegate" started on April 27h when the Ollie "The Rat" North resigned from his position with the NRA.

You have not posted any independent credible reports of NRA membership and contributions dropping since April 27th due to "Waynegate'"

You have not posted any independent credible reports of NRA membership and contributions dropping for other reasons.

There has not been any proof of "misuse" of money by WLP. The information that Ollie "The Rat" North released was embarrassing and misleading but if it was approved by the BoD does not mean it was illegal or improper. If you bother to read the letter in Post #163 you will see that WLP clothing allowance was "discontinued some time ago;"

The NRA is not bankrupt. Billionaires like Bloomberg and corrupt State Officials in New York State are trying to bankrupt it.

I will ask you this one simple question:

Since you want WLP removed from the NRA what person do you want hired to replace him?

It is easy to throw hand grenades but assuming you are a NRA member you should be coming up with solutions.

p.s. Since membership in the NRA is entirely voluntary you are not forced to a member of a "dictatorship" organization. You can resign or refuse to join at any time without fear of being put in front of a fired squad.

It is my observation that every time there is a scandal of any sort discussed on the internet, there are always those ready to "hang the crook right now"; never mind waiting for all the facts to come out. No matter the forum, we don't have time to wait and get it right the first time.

I'm just as anxious as everyone else to resolve this problem, but it has been my experience, that best results are always obtained after a thorough investigation is conducted and the truth of the matter is ferreted out.

One very useful tool I have found when trying to get to the facts of an issue is to check the bonafides of the source of any article @ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ and determine if the source leans left or right . You simply cannot take all such reports at face value any longer. Anti-gun organizations are simply not concerned with reporting facts.....only what supports their narrative.

It is Bloomberg's (and others) agenda to destroy any opposition to their goal of total gun control and NRA, as the oldest, most effective and most feared by socialist leaning politicians is squarely in their sights. Other than pouring millions of dollars of his personal wealth into his campaign against the 2A, divide and conquer is the most effective tool in his quiver and we are simply falling for this old tactic at a very critical time when $$$ are needed so badly to help hold the presidency and senate in the run-up to 2020.

I, for one, plan to continue to support NRA, as I have as an active NRA member for the past 67 years, with my efforts and the $$ that I can while the investigation continues and any guilty parties are removed, which they will be. If WLP is guilty of playing fast and loose w/NRA funds, I'll be at the front of the line shouting for justice, in the meantime, I'll be sending a check when able.

Regards,
hps
 
This scandal is an inside job. A cover up is in the works. Remove? I'd not put anything important off waiting for the house cleaning. If Wayne is innocent I will be the first to apologize. This scandal is an inside job. Nothing to do with billionaires or the liberal press. I trust that information from the NRA is credible on membership and funds.

You, friends, have made the assertion that statements about funds and membership are untrue. It's up to you to prove your assertion. Have at it. I'll not put off anything important waiting. Take care and be safe.

Addendum: Another thread was closed due to bickering. Have we gotten to that point? Looks like it.
 
It is reasonable to think that we are now chasing each others' tails in a circle. Positions are laid out:

1. There is no problem. Support the current personnel without question.
2. There is a problem but continuing send money. Let's see what happens
3. Support the organization but want new folks. Withhold money as pressure for that to happen
4. Crash the organization and support an existing one or start a new one.

I think we all have the goal to promote the RKBA, so not chosing the option you like, doesn't make the other person a stinky pants.

So, I'm going for the close.

We can reopen or start a new one if significant new information surfaces.
 
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