(NY) 1 year wait for replacement guns in the works

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1 year wait for replacement guns in the works

Assemblyman hopes law will make owners more responsible for lost or stolen weapons


Monday, March 10, 2003

BY ROBERT GAVIN
ADVANCE ALBANY BUREAU


ALBANY -- Lose your gun or have it stolen, and wait a year to replace it.

That's Assemblyman John Lavelle's plan to help keep guns off the streets. And he wants it passed into state law.

"The point here is there should be some kind of responsibility of gun ownership and one of the responsibilities, I believe, is to protect the weapon, keep it in a safe place, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands," Lavelle said.

"That includes if someone's home is broken into, the gun should be secured," the North Shore Democrat said. "The point here is there should be some kind of penalty for not showing proper gun ownership."

Lavelle's legislation would cover all guns, rifles and shotguns. He argued it would reduce carelessness among gun owners and convince them to keep their firearms more secure.

"Often, stolen guns end up being used in crimes and there are insufficient laws protecting us from the illegal use of handguns," said Katina Johnstone, a Stapleton gun opponent who unsuccessfully ran for Congress three years ago.

Ms. Johnstone, who lost her husband, David, to gunfire in San Francisco in 1992, gave the bill a thumbs up.

"Anything that would make a gun owner keep track of his guns better, I think it's good," she said.

Cops and peace officers would be exempt under the proposed law, which is circulating the Assembly's Codes Committee. Lavelle, who chairs the borough's Democratic Party, would need a co-sponsor in the Republican-controlled state Senate for his bill to stand a chance at becomming law.

One Island Republican shot the proposal down.

"I don't see the purpose of the legislation," said Assemblyman Robert Straniere (R-South Shore), arguing Lavelle's bill could "unfairly penalize" gun owners who lose their weapons or become theft victims.

Straniere said he would want police input and statistics before even entertaining Lavelle's proposal. Lavelle had no statistics available.

Cops asked about the bill stopped short of granting it praise or condemnation.

"It's really not going to hurt the bad guys," said one Staten Island police officer, who noted illegal guns cause the biggest problems on the streets.

Another Island cop said it could take up to a year to replace a lost or stolen gun in any case, given the red tape involved. But he said such a law could potentially force someone to buy a gun illegally.

An Island detective doubted the law, if enacted, would keep guns off the streets. The guns targeted under the bill, he noted, are legal and for licensed owners already deemed credible. He said the year-long wait makes sense if the gun owner lost the weapon. But, he noted there are times when guns are locked away in safes or other seemingly secure spots and still get stolen. He did not believe owners should be punished if they lose their guns that way.

Lavelle, in defending his legislation, argued, "If you purchase a weapon, you have a responsibility to secure it. This is a penalty -- and it's not that severe a penalty."

http://www.silive.com/news/advance/index.ssf?/base/news/1047307553172420.xml
 
Hk, let's hope the LEO exemption (wonder why our feudal lords always exempt themselves) goes away. Better yet it should apply to this blissninny's bodyguards!

El Tejon hops a jet and flys to NYC. A couple of bodyguards' guns get "lost" in the East River and Assemblyperson Lavelle walks around without protection.:D I'll even slap on a bright orange "I am unarmed, please do not hurt me" sticker on his back for his walking tour of the South Bronx!
 
In my mind, the best place to keep the weapon of choice is right behind the strong side hip.

That way, you can keep an eye on it, if needed, too.

Anybody think that they're going to allow unrestricted carry in addition to requiring unrestricted responsibility?
 
one of the responsibilities, I believe, is to protect the weapon, keep it in a safe place, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands," Lavelle said.
Cops and peace officers would be exempt under the proposed law

TRANSLATION:
"As always, what's best for you would be absurd for us."
 
It's only fair....

Due to their high use in crimes, and given that possession of one itself a crime, anyone that has their motor vehicle stolen must wait one year before they can acquire another one. To ensure they don't cheat and use a straw-purchaser to get a new car, the vict..errr...offender must also relinquish their driver's license for one year.
 
Of course they're going to exempt the cops, we all know that cops never get robbed or loose their guns. We can't expect the lords and masters to follow the same rules as the peasants. At least the LEO's that were interviewed showed some common sense.
 
As much as that entire article upset me, the part that makes me the maddest is the "cops and peace officers would be exempt" line. If the whole point of the proposal is responsibility of gun ownership (yeah right) then I don't see why cops should have to be any less responsible then me or you.

:fire: I think I just need to stop reading this junk. If we are lucky someday the world will stop spinning and NOBODY will have to worry about any stupid laws.
 
There is no penalty for a citizen carelessly losing a firearm. A police officer loses 5 to 10 days pay. The article was a little misleading.

I witnessed a few investigations of lost/stolen licensed firearms. They were left in plain sight or in an unlocked closet or drawer. Burglaries are common in NYC.
 
"Often, stolen guns end up being used in crimes and there are insufficient laws protecting us from the illegal use of handguns," said Katina Johnstone, ...

:confused:

You mean more laws will protect us from someone who is already breaking the law?

:confused:
 
"The point here is there should be some kind of responsibility of car ownership and one of the responsibilities, I believe, is to protect the car keep it in a safe place, so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands," Lavelle said.

"That includes if someone's home is broken into, the car should be secured," the North Shore Democrat said. "The point here is there should be some kind of penalty for not showing proper car ownership."

Lavelle's legislation would cover all cars,trucks and SUVs. He argued it would reduce carelessness among car owners and convince them to keep their cars more secure.

"Often, stolen cars end up being used in crimes and there are insufficient laws protecting us from the illegal use of car," said Katina Johnstone, a Stapleton car opponent who unsuccessfully ran for Congress three years ago.

Once again, inserting automobiles into gun control proposals can help liberals see how ridiculous their anthropomorphisms are.
Should you be responsible if your car is stolen and used to run someone down? Of course not! Why should a gun be any different?
 
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