NY Ban/Confiscation of AW's

[Logistics]

>>>but if it comes down to it, those NY law enforcement guys ARE NOT taking my weapons. Anyone else with me on that?<<<

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the term "law enforcement".....What a crock. If this passes ALL of you in NY need to turn in your precious little "law enforcement" badges and get a REAL job....

Americans are Citizens, not subjects. Learn to feed yourselves and your families in other ways instead of violating the rights of your FELLOW LAW ABIDING AMERICANS!!!

If just ONE single "law enforcement" / Tax Collection "officer" can be shamed out of a mindless job working for a corrupt state this ENTIRE website was worth it....

My prayers are with ALL of you LAW ABIDING GUN OWNING "citizens" of NY.

 

[nygunguy]

Intro text of Senate Bill - Needs Response

This is the text of the Intro to the Senate version of the bill. It was probably written by the NYAGV and not by one of our illustrious Senators.

Section 1. The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and
accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans. The
shooter can simply point - as opposed to carefully aim - the weapon to
quickly spray a wide area with a hail of bullets. Gun manufacturers have
for many years made, marketed and sold to civilians semi-automatic
versions of military assault weapons designed with features specifically
intended to increase lethality for military applications. As a result,
approximately 2,000,000 assault weapons are currently in circulation in
the United States. These weapons have been the weapon of choice in the
most notorious mass shootings of innocent civilians in the United
States, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School (TEC-DC9
assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine) and the 2002 Washington, D.C.-area
sniper shootings (Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle). According to FBI data,
between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the
line of duty was killed with an assault weapon. In 2003, New York lost
two of its finest when undercover officers in the elite Firearms Inves-
tigation Unit of the NYPD Organized Crime Control Bureau were brutally
murdered while attempting to purchase an illegal TEC-9 semi-automatic
assault weapon. The availability of military-style assault weapons poses
a serious threat to the public health and safety. Most citizens, includ-
ing most gun owners, believe that assault weapons should not be avail-
able for civilian use.​

 

[UberPhLuBB]

Section 1. The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and
accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans. The
shooter can simply point - as opposed to carefully aim - the weapon to
quickly spray a wide area with a hail of bullets. Gun manufacturers have
for many years made, marketed and sold to civilians semi-automatic
versions of military assault weapons designed with features specifically
intended to increase lethality for military applications. As a result,
approximately 2,000,000 assault weapons are currently in circulation in
the United States. These weapons have been the weapon of choice in the
most notorious mass shootings of innocent civilians in the United
States, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School (TEC-DC9
assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine) and the 2002 Washington, D.C.-area
sniper shootings (Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle). According to FBI data,
between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the
line of duty was killed with an assault weapon. In 2003, New York lost
two of its finest when undercover officers in the elite Firearms Inves-
tigation Unit of the NYPD Organized Crime Control Bureau were brutally
murdered while attempting to purchase an illegal TEC-9 semi-automatic
assault weapon. The availability of military-style assault weapons poses
a serious threat to the public health and safety. Most citizens, includ-
ing most gun owners, believe that assault weapons should not be avail-
able for civilian use.

:banghead:

 

[nygunguy]

Here's my response to S5504

Governor Pataki, Senator Alesi, Senator Bruno, Mr. Minarik:

I have had a very difficult time convincing myself to vote for NY Republicans in the past. If this bill (S5504) or anything similar passes into law I will NEVER again vote for a NY Republican and will work very hard to support any candidate from an alternative party that will be honest with the people of NY State. For me this bill is less about silly gun control and more about the serious issue of NY politicians being honest with the people. I'm offended by the text of this bill and the way it attempts to mislead me. I am truly hopeful that those voting on this bill will use their heads and not be mislead.

Here are some excerpts from Section I of S5504 that I feel compelled to respond to. I believe that this bill was written by anti-gun lobbyists and not by an honest representitive who is truly concerned for their constituents. It echos the same tired, repetitive, misleading rhetoric that always comes from the anti-gun community. My opinion is that the NY legislature has better things to do with their time and my tax dollars than to support such nonsense.

Please read on...

"The New York state legislature finds that semi-automatic assault weapons are military-style guns designed to allow rapid and accurate spray firing for the quick and efficient killing of humans. "

Has anyone in the NYS Legislature ever tried to spray a hail of bullets from a semi-automatic firearm? If they had they'd know that its amost impossible to quickly and efficiently kill humans in that way. Must be they're getting their information from a Hollywood movie or the NYAGV.

"These weapons have been the weapon of choice in the most notorious mass shootings of innocent civilians in the United States, including the 1999 massacre at Columbine High School (TEC-DC9 assault pistol and Hi-Point Carbine) and the 2002 Washington, D.C.-area sniper shootings (Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle). "

Does the Legislature know that the Columbine criminals broke over 30 existing gun laws? This makes one wonder why anyone would think that more gun laws would matter to criminals.

Does the Legislature know that the context in which the DC snipers used their Bushmaster was not a spray of bullets but a single shot? Do they know that in that context an NEF single shot would have done exactly the same damage? Does it matter?

"According to FBI data, between 1998 and 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon."

The last FBI report that I was privy to is the Uniform Crime Reports. These are the same reports that Senator Kennedy used to support the failed renewal of the Federal AWB and I assume are the same sources for this bill. If one reads the UCR you'll find that it lists firearms by caliber not make and model, making it very difficult to ascertain whether a particular firearm fits the AW description that is provided. The .223 caliber is called out as a popular crime caliber but .223s come in MANY different models. The last time I checked the .30-30 caliber was as or more popular for crime than the .223; is my M94 deer rifle the next in line to be banned (it was a bonafide assault rifle in 1894)?

"In 2003, New York lost two of its finest when undercover officers in the elite Firearms Investigation Unit of the NYPD Organized Crime Control Bureau were brutally murdered while attempting to purchase an illegal TEC-9 semi-automatic assault weapon."

This states that the TEC-9 was already illegal. If it was already illegal then why did the criminals have the weapon? Could it be that the criminals forgot that the TEC-9 was illegal? Maybe they just didn't care. Maybe preventing honest people from owning a TEC-9 has no effect on dishonest people.

Best Regards,

 

[Bill St. Clair]

If this bill or anything like it passes the legislature and is signed by our RINO governor, I will never again vote for anything or anyone in New York, except from the rooftops. Given that voting from the rooftops would tend to radically decrease my life expectancy, and that I have a young daughter who needs me to be around for another ten years, I would likely leave the state, at the very least by moving 35 miles north to Vermont.

 

[TimH]

I have heard that this bill will probably not get though the NYS Senate because of Republican control, but keep writing the letters to be safe. Another thing we have to keep in mind. There is a good chance the Demacrats will take control of the Senate within the next 2 election cycles. THIS WILL BE A PROBLEM. Its bad enough our Republicans are Demacrats. And be sure not to just look at the R or D in front of the politicians name. Plenty of Dems are 2nd Amendment supporters and plenty of Repubs. are not.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

If you don't like the laws, set out to change them! Don't leave the mess for the rest of us to clean up!

A grass roots organization worked successfully on Long Island through the Suffolk County legislature to change the Suffolk County (NY) law so as to prevent the Suffolk County Police Department from placing draconian restrictions on our New York State handgun carry permits. The result: The Suffolk County Police Department ignored the law change, and the Suffolk County Executive refused to enforce the law change. Things continue to deteriorate. That's why I moved to a free state last August. No regrets.

 

[PATH]

Well I am encouraging as many as I can to contact our local senator. If the laws pass I will be forwarding my firearms to relatives in free America. I will follow them as soon as possible. It is about something more than your guns. It is about freedom. We are getting overrun. There aere just too many of them here!

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

The enemy has over run our lines, men. Withdraw! Withdraw!

 

[PATH]

Well I got the phone tree started and the local clubs are making calls. In truth though I fear that it is only a matter of time before the liberal hordes overtake us altogether in this once great state.

The vindictiveness of liberal Democrats knows no bounds as seen by the vitriol spewed against law abiding gun owners. My father was a Democrat. My Grandfather was a Democrat as was his father before him. These people are not Democrats. They are socialists. You'll be told how to live by them or they'll have you arrested.

The sad part is that most of the people here are sheep. Here in the New York suburbs the endless building brings them in droves. I will probably soon be a political refugee in my own country.

I am hoping enough Republicans in the State Senate have some backbone and kill this gun grab. In the end I fear I will be compelled to leave and go south to "Free America". Maybe the country is dividing out already. People will go where others think in a like minded fashion. I am thinking North Carolina or Virginia.