USSR
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It is, and us rural upstaters are skrewed.
Don
NY Gun Owners Threatening Non-Compliance With New Gun Control Laws
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It is, and us rural upstaters are skrewed.
Don
Skribs said:
Not to mention, it isn't as simple as just "vote 'em out"
Gun rights are not a voting issue for everyone.
I didn't vote for Obama, I didn't vote for Warner or Kaine, Virginia's Senators. How is it my fault if they push through gun legislation?
Blaming New York gun owners opposed to this law for voting in these legislators is akin to blaming political dissidents in North Korea for letting the Communist take over.
James Madison said the Constitution should protect or individual rights from factions...unfortunately, that hasn't worked over our entire history.
hogshead
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Reminds me of a Hank Jr song. Just send me to hell or New York city it would be about the same to me.
browningguy
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It won't happen. When NYC decided to tell people how big a coke they can buy, everyone just went and bought two.
SharpsDressedMan
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Ooooo. This creates a moral dillema for THR moderators. THR traditionally does not allow postings that advocate breaking the law............
SharpsDressedMan
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Well ,they could always tape two 7 rounders together.
Ooooo. This creates a moral dillema for THR moderators. THR traditionally does not allow postings that advocate breaking the law............
Well, that's what can happen when the law itself breaks the law.
SharpsDressedMan
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Who gets to decide that one?
larryh1108
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Well........ didn't a moderator start this thread??
hmmmmmm......
hmmmmmm......
In this forum, the moderators. Legally, the courts, up to and potentially including the Supreme Court. But look at how the latter is divided strictly along political lines these days, with some of the justices obviously trying to legislate from the bench despite what the Constitution says. The ultimate judge in a free country is always by definition the people, both through indirect means via elections and more direct means when necessary (e.g. jury nullification, civil disobedience, revolution). The deliberate breaking of unjust laws is hardly unprecedented, and I suspect that there is a reason this thread has remained open.
Brighter people than me will probably find the best answer. But the classic civil disobedience in the face of unjust laws is bubblegum on the sidewalks. Something bothersome to the tyrant, but where he can't really do anything about it. Eventually he tires out.
AR owners might be 1% of the population. Too few to make much difference by moving (to reduce tax base). A small enough population that it is easy to tyrannize them. Add in "hi-cap" pistol owners and you might have a tax issue, if say, they all decided to delay sending in their property tax by quite a while. Not long enough to risk a lien, but long enough to adversely impact the governmental finances. Or put bubblegum on the check.
Just thinking....
AR owners might be 1% of the population. Too few to make much difference by moving (to reduce tax base). A small enough population that it is easy to tyrannize them. Add in "hi-cap" pistol owners and you might have a tax issue, if say, they all decided to delay sending in their property tax by quite a while. Not long enough to risk a lien, but long enough to adversely impact the governmental finances. Or put bubblegum on the check.
Just thinking....
This is a prickly one. If you truly believe that the 2A is about defending against tyranny and that registration leads to confiscation I can't see how in good conscience you would register. Once the government has that info it's there forever. This may be the one step too far for many
I think it's more than 1%.
Also doesn't figure in AK's, SKS's, FAL's, M1A's, M1 Carbines or Mini-14's.
Good point but I myself have several. So fewer persons than firearms. The trick is to find something you can do that causes a problem when thousands copy, but looks silly to prosecute. Bubblegum on tax checks, glue inside the envelope, jam phone lines, delay payment , add sugar. Something.
ApacheCoTodd
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Sure, ignore the law, get caught, get convicted (AND YOU WILL BE CONVICTED OR PLEA!) if caught and then be a felon for the rest of your life.
What's voting or owning other firearms (or the NY illegal firearms while living in another state) worth to you?
Stay, comply, vote and push for change or get out or, get the offending guns out as many Californian's did. But don't make a point that'll put you right into the group they want you in - a felon.
What's voting or owning other firearms (or the NY illegal firearms while living in another state) worth to you?
Stay, comply, vote and push for change or get out or, get the offending guns out as many Californian's did. But don't make a point that'll put you right into the group they want you in - a felon.
wacki
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trickyasafox
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we are trying to vote out our legislators who put this on us. We haven't even been successful in getting competent people on the ballot to run against them. Its not as simple as 'voting for the other guy/gal'. we are having to foster candidates from scratch. Don't forget we had a number of Repubs who supported this proudly.
ApacheCoTodd
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Yup - been there, done that when I lived in California.
Sometimes your the salmon who make it to the spawning beds
Sometimes the bears get you
Sometimes you smash yourself against the rock in vain
or
Sometimes you're the salmon who says "ta hell with it" and just goes elsewhere...
chipcom
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I think your outline of the potential consequences makes my point that this is indeed worth fighting for. A government that turns honest people into criminals overnight for no-good reason and then uses threat of ruin, violence and prison to impose their will is not the kind of government I want to bequeath to my kids and grand kids. I think this is worth taking a stand on...but as I said someplace else, everyone has their own idea of when to fight, run or hunker down...so I'm just expressing my opinion here, not trying to be an arrogant judge.
chipcom
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"It's better to die upon your feet than to live upon your knees!"
-- Emiliano Zapata
Chewing gum ban in Singapore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_ban_in_Singapore
Now people in singapore pee in elevators and bring bags of poop from home to smear in public places.
RustyHammer
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Staying and voting will do nothing in this case. Even if you can get the law repealed, you cannot unregister your gun.
There are plenty of heroes in our history who were branded felons by those in power at their time. They resisted unjust laws and now they are heroes because they changed the world for the rest of us.
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