Officer shot 7 times with a 45 ACP fights back.

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http://www.policeone.com/policeonetv/videos/3592582-will-to-win-jared-reston/


This story illustrates (again) my contention that there is no such thing as a petty criminal. Anyone who is willing to steal, violate the rights of others, might become fatally violent.

Guy was shoplifting... a minor offense being committed by a man with no previous criminal history*... but he was packing a gun and as events proved he was willing to kill a police officer to evade arrest. If he would shoot a cop 7 times there's no doubt he would jack up a citizen without any hesitation or remorse.

I wonder, could the shoplifter who surrendered be charged under "felony murder" laws? Or would the fact that he had surrendered and was in custody at the time of the shooting spare him from prosecution since he was no longer a participant in the crimes occurring at that point?

I agree that the cop is one tough SOB. Mentally and physically he possesses the warrior spirit (even it's not PC to say this about a police officer).

I would like to know how many times the perp was hit.

*Of course we don't know how many crimes he committed without being caught. Just because he had never been previously arrested doesn't mean this was his first transgression.


PS: Abner may not have any criminal history as an adult but the photo used in the interview video was a mug shot from a juvenile arrest so this guy definitely was not a first timer. Also, later stories indicated Reston was hit 6 times and not 7 as initially reported. Apparently 5 rounds did damage (face, elbow, thigh, buttocks, ribs and at least one round and maybe more were caught by the vest.
 
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this guy definitely was not a first timer

Apparently not a hardened criminal as we usually think of them, but apparently hard enough to take a run at killing a cop this time out.

It all happened over a pair of jeans stolen by a teen whose only brush with the law was an arrest in 2006 for trespassing and marijuana possession. -- http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/020108/met_242548001.shtml

The Glock (a Glock 30? A crime scene photo showed it on the ground with the slide locked open.)) Abner had was also reported stolen, but there was no connection to where he got it in any of the articles I saw.

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I would like to know how many times the perp was hit.

I wondered, too... Reston reported firing three contact distance shots after Abner fell on top of him, no way to tell if they were all hits but probably likely.

Abner's autopsy report indicated the presence of marijuana in his system.

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Reston managed to deliver several fatal shots to Abner and then push himself to safety until help arrived. "From first time I made contact with him to the end of the gun fight was probably ten seconds. That's it. I fired 14 times. He fired 12 times. It was violent. It was fast." -- http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-...-suspect-uses-his-experience-help-others.html

Abner died Jan. 26 after being shot seven times by Officer Jared Reston. Reston chased Abner from the Regency Square mall, where police said Abner stole a pair of jeans. Reston was shot six times - three bullets were stopped by his protective vest - and is recovering at home. -- http://news.jacksonville.com/justin...lifter-killed-by-jacksonville-police-officer/

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ETA - Ayoob Files link: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_4_34/ai_n56222291/?tag=content;col1
 
Amazing the level of ignorance on the streets. They say it was over a pair of jeans but illegally carring a gun is a much more serious situatin than that. Anyway stupid decisions.
Another example of kids that think they are invincible. Sorry, no recall button this time!
Good for the cop. A true warrior and patriot.
 
What an irrational coward.
Reminds me of something I came across in the local paper last year...

When I was a kid, I looked up to these two guys in my neighborhood. They were tough, real outlaws.

16 years later, I read a story about one of them getting confronted at a gas station for theft of a candy bar, and he proceeded to stab the clerk.

Pathetic.
 
Officer Jared Reston is a hero... not because he stopped a bad guy, but because he pushed through the pain of being shot multiple times and kept fighting until he was victorious. He stands as a fine example to every man.
 
Reston initially attempted to employ his Taser upon first closing with Abner during the foot pursuit, but the Taser failed to fire. Things went downhill after that. One possible lesson even for those of us without government provided Bat-Belts is to consider carrying something that offers us the option of a level of force somewhere between hard hands and lethal force. I've carried an ASP Street Defender (OC spray) for a while now and been happy with it, others may have other solutions.

fwiw,

lpl
 
Lee,
wise words. I think the bear peper sprais are very powerful and nasty up to 10-15 yards depending on wind but might have saved the day here.
I am not an expert in teasers but I can see the pepper being reliable in many situations where the teaser might not be doable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLsOcbizFe8&NR=1

I also do not understand why the shock grenades are not issued to LEO's just like special units have. (there might be one though) Another good way
to gain a fundamental tactical advantage. I am thinking any alternative alone is not good with the tradional tactics so officers need to get plenty
of theorical and practical training on when and how to use these alternatives.

Cheers.
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That guy is amazing.

America was built on the blood, sweat and sacrifice of people like that.
 
So I guess that puts a little damper on the whole ".45acp is awesome and a guaranteed one shot stop" crap that people spew on these and many other forums.

The officer had great mindset, the will to win, that is what matters, and that is what allows people to fight, win and survive.
 
Abner was hit 7 times from what i read including the 3 to the head.
 
Saxonpig said:

This story illustrates (again) my contention that there is no such thing as a petty criminal. Anyone who is willing to steal, violate the rights of others, might become fatally violent.
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"Guy was shoplifting... a minor offense being committed "
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The perception of the officer is that it was over a minor thing.

The reality is it was over a guy with an illegal stolen firearm, who was illegally carrying said firearm loaded and concealed, and who was also stealing clothing.

The firearm was likely a felony, and more likely a part of his motivation than the stolen jeans.



He had a criminal history for trespassing and marijuana possession, which could explain the mugshot. Which creates no profile for such an individual, as illegal marijuana use is widespread among teens, more so in certain regions and cities, and most of them don't commit violent crimes. Trespassing is also common with teens, going places they shouldn't, cutting through private property, hanging out where they shouldn't be, etc


So a guy about to be caught and charged for felony possession of a stolen handgun that was illegally being carried, and was certain to be found in the pat down that was sure to come as soon as he was detained, went nuts and tried to kill the arresting officer.


He wasn't about to go to jail for a misdemeanor shoplifting charge, he was about to go down for felonies relating to the gun.
The story is misleading there. The minor crime is as it relates to the perception of the officer performing the arrest who at that time thinks it is only for shoplifting.
The lesson is that someone who appears to be a petty criminal may be more. But officers should know that already, after all half of the high speed chases start off as a simple traffic stop over a mere infraction. The person is wanted, has something they don't want found, is on parole, or otherwise flips out over what the officer doing the stop thought was just a routine ticket.


Of course there is certainly incidents where even just someone shoplifting with no additional crimes to be found, no warrants, parole, etc will still attack with or without a weapon or otherwise use force on those attempting to detain them that may seem unexpected and excessive compared to the crime.
 
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Amazing leo

I read this a while back and I was SO happy that no one thought to charge the LEO with unlawful use of force.

He did what I would believe is not P.C. = but TOTALLY CORRECT under the circumstances.

As to the amazing stopping power of any round,well that was put to sleep with the abilitys and fighting spirit of a true warrior.
 
fxstchewy said:
Over a pair of jeans...............some people are just plain stupid.
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You probably failed to read my previous post.
It was not over a pair of jeans, it was over a felony charge for illegal possession of a stolen firearm, illegally carrying a concealed loaded firearm, etc
He was facing felony charges as soon as the cop arresting him for shoplifting routinely patted him down and found the gun.
As someone who had been arrested previously for both marijuana possession and trespassing, he certainly knew a routine pat down was coming as soon as he was taken into custody.

Now that is still no excuse, and he was clearly an idiot to illegally possess the gun while intending to engage in shoplifting which could lead to detainment or arrest at any time.
But the criminal's reaction was not over just the misdemeanor punishment for the shoplifting of the jeans.
 
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