Officer's H&K fails to fire

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My brand new S&W 9mm functioned perfectly from the factory without a striker bushing for the first 250 rounds. It never had one, because when I sent it back to the factory, they said "Oh, we found the problem - you forgot to put the striker bushing back after you disassembled and cleaned the slide!"

Just one problem. Id NEVER disassembled and cleaned the slide (because the owners manual says not to.) I'd only field stripped the gun.

But if I'd been one of those folks who puts 100 rounds through a new gun then puts it in the closet to be used only in the case of an emergency, I'd never have known there was a problem.
 
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We had two officers show up for qualification and neither could fire their gun as they were rusted shut. The H&K P 2000 did not handle the moisture in the enviorment where they were working. Very humid.

The range officer who examined their guns said they were filthy and unable to function.

To my knowledge, the previous issue gun, the GLOCK 17 did not have any problems with the enviorment.

Jim
 
psyopspec, thanks for the backup. It's OK, I've been disbelieved many times - it's always interesting when I talk about the Glocks that have failed in my hand, ah, the screams and furor are always shrill and forceful.
To reiterate what I said earlier that was overlooked - I would hazard a good solid guess there was other factors involved - I was talking to the troops on the ground, the ones who had the repeated issues.
I also said HK makes a good product, and has a reputation that was earned, so we were very surprised to find all these issues with this first generation pistol. My boss went so far as to change what "USP" stood for, she was so disgusted with the problems. This was from a woman who loved the P-7 and the MP-5, by the way.
I also stated that this was 12 years ago or so, and any issues that many have been back then are undoubtedly fixed by now, like the famous teething issues of the CZ P-07, now completely rectified.
One last item - broken firing pin spring. Some guns, (SKS), were designed without one at all. Just a casual observation, nothing more.
golden, while I would assume the environment had something to do with the damage, incredibly poor maintenance will kill any gun, no matter how well it is built. In that case the staff needed some disciplinary action to rectify the situation.
 
armoredman said:
psyopspec, thanks for the backup. It's OK, I've been disbelieved many times - it's always interesting when I talk about the Glocks that have failed in my hand, ah, the screams and furor are always shrill and forceful.
To reiterate what I said earlier that was overlooked - I would hazard a good solid guess there was other factors involved - I was talking to the troops on the ground, the ones who had the repeated issues.
I also said HK makes a good product, and has a reputation that was earned, so we were very surprised to find all these issues with this first generation pistol. My boss went so far as to change what "USP" stood for, she was so disgusted with the problems. This was from a woman who loved the P-7 and the MP-5, by the way.
I also stated that this was 12 years ago or so, and any issues that many have been back then are undoubtedly fixed by now, like the famous teething issues of the CZ P-07, now completely rectified.
One last item - broken firing pin spring. Some guns, (SKS), were designed without one at all. Just a casual observation, nothing more.
golden, while I would assume the environment had something to do with the damage, incredibly poor maintenance will kill any gun, no matter how well it is built. In that case the staff needed some disciplinary action to rectify the situation.
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Like I said in post #20, I don't disbelieve you.

I am agreeing with the part that there must be more to the story other than all the guns just sucked for no reason.

One thing I failed to ask however is....
"Which" USPs were these guns?
Full-size or compacts?
Which caliber?
9mm, 40cal or 45acp?
I'd be interested to see if there were ever any recalls on your "specific" guns in question here?
It's possible.
 
SabbathWolf said:
The "can't be shot well" comment is based on the fact that many people find the grip on the USP to be too large for them to be comfortable with. It has "nothing" to do with the officers being crappy with guns or anything....lol. Don't take this so personally. That's not what I meant.
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All I can say is I've NEVER heard of anybody else, anywhere on the entire planet, who has gotten rid of USPs because of "reliability" issues what so ever.

In fact, I bought this one all the way back on 23 AUG 1996 (still have the receipt right here if ya wanna see it...lol) and it has been flawless. It has literally thousands+ of rounds through it now over all these years, and I've never had to replace a single spring, firing pin, extractor...nothing at all yet. Nothing.

So, I still stand by my assertion that there is just something weird, strange and unnatural going on in Arizona that just doesn't happen elsewhere. Don't know what else to say.....
USPs are used by various military and L/E agencies in over 16 various countries with great results. Likewise by civilians all over the world for HD and CCW as well...with likewise impressive results.
All these problems in Arizona just seem quite suspicious to me.
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The P8 is very reliable pistol I would trust in it's performance for both military and civilian use.
 
My PD carried USP 45Cs for several years. Quite a few firing pin breakages and broken decocking levers over 12 years or so of issue. Getting parts quick was a problem and customer service at HK was poor. Have had Glock 21SFs and 30SFs now for about 3 years. Could not be more pleased. Only issue I know of to date out of about 120 guns is one burned out rear night sight. Replaced the next DAY. Time will tell of course with the Glock but so far so good.
 
SW, to the best of my knowledge they were full size 9mm. The ones we had on the rental range were full size and compact, 9mm and 40SW, IIRC. I don't remember any recalls issued by HK while I worked there.
 
This thread reeks of BS and HK hate. Enjoy your Glocks. I, on the other hand, prefer the best.
 
This thread reeks of BS...I, on the other hand, prefer the best.
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I have no doubt there's been some BS in this thread, but the highest concentration seems to be in that post. Enjoy your HK; others, enjoy your Glocks. Keep them in good repair (no missing pieces, please :D), and make sure the chamber's loaded if you need to use it.
 
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The department armorers I've met tend to be fickle souls. Sometimes they say certain things in order to avoid in-depth conversations with people.
 
OK....you guys over here, enjoy your Glocks. And you guys over there, enjoy your HK's.
Meanwhile, I'll be enjoying my SIG! (West German...not the Exeter-made.)
 
Suprised I didnt hear about this, as I work with Roanoke city. Guess thats why city cops carry glocks?
 
The funny thing about his comment is I don't like Glocks, (they don't fit me), and the only Hk pistol I really would love to own is, (ready for this?) is a VP70z. :)
But because someone said there is HK hate on here, I'll say it AGAIN, HK makes some damn fine firearms, love the MP-5, niftiest subgun I ever fired was an HK MP-5/10 FBI issue. Everyone stumbles now and then, CZ-100, Colt All American 2000, anything ever butchered by Century Arms, etc., it happens.
Mr Trooper, I've known about 4 Dept Armorers, one was a self centered egotistical idiot, the others were pretty good guys. :)
 
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HK is the best gun manufacturer in the world. <-Period.
Normally I would apologize for making such a blanket statement that "Joe-the-Plumber" types would find to be arrogant, condescending, and opinionated. But this is HK- they really are the best!

If you can't tell, I am in love.
 
Hk Paul said:
HK is the best gun manufacturer in the world. <-Period.
Normally I would apologize for making such a blanket statement that "Joe-the-Plumber" types would find to be arrogant, condescending, and opinionated. But this is HK- they really are the best!

If you can't tell, I am in love.
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Yes...well...
I'll agree that I've owned so many pistols over the years that I lost count.
And my HK by far and away is the single "BEST" pistol I've ever owed. Period.

This whole thing has me wondering if HK just specifically hates Arizona for some reason and just sent them all their factory rejects?
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627PCFan said:
Baring that justification, my first thought was thank god it didnt fire, after 2 years of no pistol practice, god knows who he would have actually hit.
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He did not test fire his weapon after service.

Yeah ... the armorer messed up; but I test the brakes on the car before leaving the parking lot, man.
 
NMGonzo said:
He did not test fire his weapon after service.

Yeah ... the armorer messed up; but I test the brakes on the car before leaving the parking lot, man.
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Yep.
I agree 100% with this.
I always test fire everything repeatedly before I just "assume" it's fine and go to depending my life on it.

What bothers me though is "what if" the spring really was missing?
And "what if" the gun "did" fire fine through 2 qualifications?
"What if" the officer really "did" test his weapon out before this incident?"

...Then "why" would it just mysteriously fail after functioning just fine, right during a moment of high stress?
I still don't think he had a round in the chamber....lol
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