Ohio judge tells citizens to carry guns

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One judge's solution for citizens feeling less secure because of budget cuts in an Ohio county: Carry a gun. Judge Alfred Mackey of Ashtabula County Common Pleas Court advised residents Friday to be vigilant and arm themselves because the number of deputies has been cut about in half because of a tight budget. He also urged neighbors to organize anti-crime block watch groups.

"They have to be law-abiding, and if they are not familiar with firearms they need to take a safety course so they are not a threat to their family and friends and themselves," Mackey said Friday.

Mackey, whose comments were first broadcast Thursday by WKYC-TV in Cleveland, was expressing concerns with budget cuts that have trimmed the sheriff's department from 112 to 49 deputies in the county, which is Ohio's largest by land area.

Asked by WKYC how people should respond to the cuts and limited patrols, he said, "Arm themselves. Be very careful and just be vigilant because we're going to have to look after each other."

Andrew Pollis, who teaches law at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, saw the original TV clip of Mackey and said it was clear the judge wasn't advocating vigilantism.

Still, Pollis said, snippets of the comments could be misunderstood "as a license, if you will, to engage in conduct which we as a society collectively would not want."

In Akron, Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove, president-elect of the Ohio Common Pleas Judges Association, said she was surprised by Mackey's suggestion.

"That's scary to me," she said. "I don't know what the situation in Ashtabula County is. I personally would never - that's a personal choice in terms of carrying a weapon."

With deputies assigned to transport prisoners and serve warrants, only one radio car is assigned to patrol the county of 720 square miles, excluding municipalities with police departments. The sheriff's patrol area covers most of the county, the judge said Friday.

Mackey said the response to his comments has been positive in the mostly rural county between Cleveland and Erie, Pa.

"People in this county are hunters," said Mackey, who grew up on a farm with rifles and still owns firearms. "People have familiarity with firearms."

Messages seeking comment on the judge's remarks were left for Sheriff William Johnson and county commissioners.

Johnson has threatened to sue the commissioners to have some of his department's funding restored.

The jail in the county of about 100,000 people has held as many as 140 prisoners, but the number has dipped to about 30 because of reductions in the guard staff. About 700 people are on a waiting list to serve time in the jail.

Ohio has had a concealed handgun law for five years, and from October to December the Ashtabula County sheriff issued 54 licenses. Twenty-eight licenses were renewed.
 
Well that's one solution.
The jail in the county of about 100,000 people has held as many as 140 prisoners, but the number has dipped to about 30 because of reductions in the guard staff. About 700 people are on a waiting list to serve time in the jail.
This part kinda scares me.
 
The judge's remarks are refreshing.

The part I found intriguing was that there is a waiting list to go to jail??? If people don't need to go to jail right away, I wonder if they need to go at all.
 
The part I found intriguing was that there is a waiting list to go to jail??? If people don't need to go to jail right away, I wonder if they need to go at all.


If you don't rub their nose in it right away they won't know what they're being punished for. Good on the Judge for telling the people like it is.
 
Good on the Judge for telling the people like it is.

+1.

It's refreshing to hear officials like this guy and Sheriff Arvin West telling people the bottom-line truth.

It's also pleasant to be addressed as a reasonable, responsible citizen for a change, not the inept, incompetent, moron so many leaders of the "nanny state" mentality assume us to be.

KR
 
The LEO cutbacks are happening all over Ohio, mostly in rural counties and the rust belt cities. What's worse is the some of smaller towns that had PD's dumped them and turned it over to the SO's. It's sort of making a already bad situation worse.
 
As a resident of one of those counties that has suspended sheriff's road patrol, I can tell you, people are worried. Our local sheriff's office just released 45 criminals from the jail because they can't pay for enough guards there, and the sheriff's department has made the statement, "If you're not dying or in mortal danger, you're going to have to come to us"--it also has the rural fire departments worried because of the lack of support in case of an uncontrollable individual during a fire/EMS response.

Duns--our county had judges look at a case by case basis and find the most non-violent offenders/least escape risk criminals, and put them on home monitoring systems. It's not a great solution, but it at least keeps the worst of the worst in jail, and the one's that are out, at least we know (Generally) where they are.
 
With deputies assigned to transport prisoners and serve warrants, only one radio car is assigned to patrol the county of 720 square miles

Holy balls they only have one car on the streets? :what: Lol, what's that gonna put their response time up to?
 
Yeah maybe stop putting traffic warrants in jail and have them pay larger fines and more space would be open for violent crims.

Seems to me that one of gov's main reasons to exist is to provide law enforcement and protection, so naturally that gets cut first during budget shortfalls.
Any county/city staff or politicians take a pay cut?
 
I'm up here in Ashtabula county for a couple more months recovering at my parents from heart surgery. My problem is that all my guns are still in FL!

I don't even know if I can purchase a firearm up here or in PA legally from an FFL. Anyone privy to Ohio laws dictating out-of-state people purchasing firearms?
 
I am happy to hear someone in the judicial system advocating personal protection. The vast majority these days all but condemn using force to protect oneself and others. ..."that is law enforcements job"... I wonder how many people realize that police are not required to "protect" you. They are there to enforce the law.
 
With jail cells at a premium, I wonder if you'd have to bribe somebody in order to do your time?:rolleyes:
 
I don't even know if I can purchase a firearm up here or in PA legally from an FFL. Anyone privy to Ohio laws dictating out-of-state people purchasing firearms?

I know it's legal for contiguous state, but don't know about FL. Why don't you go to a local gun store and ask them?
 
what's that gonna put their response time up to?

"When seconds count, the police require you to make an appointment."

Dispatch: 911, what's your emergency?
Me: There are four armed men and a velociraptor trying to break down my door.
Dispatch: Sir, it looks like we have an opening at 9:30 am this Thursday. Does that work for you?


In all seriousness, this actually makes me happy, a little bit. One car on the road is ridiculous, no arguement, but if this budget cutting trend continues, maybe the nation will wake up and realize that the police really can't protect them... not only because it's not their job, but because they obviously can't. No officer I've spoken to thinks it is their job to protect, but plenty of sheeple I know have made the statement "The police are here to serve and protect, right? They will protect me!"

Sometimes it takes real hardship to change the world.
 
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