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Am I alone or does anyone else load like me? I started off reloading with a single stage press and a balance beam scale (about 30 years ago). Now I’m loading with a single stage press and a balance beam scale. I’ve had a progressive press and an electronic scale in the past but I like to load and really don’t need anything faster plus I believe I can load more consistent with the equipment I use. Anyone else end up where you started?
 
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i've been using an old lyman spartan press w/lee dies and a lee safety scale for over 15 years now. don't see any need to change. get good results and it "just feels like home".

if i shot competition or something that required a high volume of ammo i might consider something else, but i don't, so i'm happy.
 
I have a Lee single stage and a Lee turret that I have been loading on for the past 20 years and see no reason to change. I do have a RCBS electronic scale, but I have a RCBS 5-0-5 balance that I use as a backup and to renew my confidence in the electronic scale...I load rifle and handgun...:) Oh. Almost forgot...I still use my Lee dippers that I started with a long time ago...:neener:
 
Been there with the old single stage. STILL there after nearly 40 years! Does a good job. Just slow for volume work.
 
yes and no

Still using the RCBS Rockchuck purchased sometime arround 1972. Did go from a Mec 600 to Hornady 366 for shotgun though.
 
Whats old school

I don’t know about old school since I only started reloading 2 months ago. I use a Lee turret with a balance beam. Last night I reloaded 300 rounds of
45s easy, but it got cold in the garage, down to low 50’s:D so I called it a night. I think I am going to upgrade and get a single stage, two presses are better than one.
 
Yes, I still use an Orange Crusher. But I have graduated to an electronic scale which I believe is not only faster but more accurate.

I also use a Lyman Turret style press if I'm going to be making small lots of ammo, but making many small adjustments in seeking a perfect load. I can not only make subtle adjustments in powder weight, but also adjusting bullet depth and crimp.

Of course I use a Dillon Square Deal for all of my .45 ACP plinking ammo. The adjustments haven't been changed since 1987.
 
Same here,started on a spar-t press.Wore it out ,turret flex was the culprit.Still loaded great ammo just not concentric.Moved up to a Lyman O press,no more flex.Same scale btw Ohuas 10-10.
 
I use pages from both books! Literally!

When researching loads I use books from my father (50's Vintage) and books that I have purchased (90's and 200x)

For my reloading I have 2 presses. For .45, .38 Spl and .357 Mag (which I use for pistol and cowboy matches) I use a Dillon 550.

For .45-70, .30-06 and .44 Mag I use an ancient Herter's Super Number 3 single stage. I don't think thast you could ever wear out one of these monster single stage presses.

For weighing I use a Herter's beam scale.
 
I am still using my original Lee Anniversary kit, but will probably be getting an electronic scale soon.
 
I shoot about 200-400 rounds a week. I can easily reload those on a single stage press and a balance beam scale. I don't watch much TV so I don't feel like I'm missing much.
 
Full Circle

I am a self taught shooter and reloader. Nowhere in my family were there any outdoor people to show me the ropes. As a result, I had to learn the hard way what many friends were taught as they grew up. There are advantages to having an older and wiser mentor to keep you from the pitfalls, but in learning the hard way, I have found a certain sense of satisfaction. My lessons were hard learned but are well imprinted on my mind. I am proud to report; I still have my eyebrows and all ten of my fingers.
My reloading career started somewhere around 1964. I was the proud owner of a twenty-five dollar Springfield 03-A2. Now I had to feed it. A trip to the sporting goods store and I was all set up with a Lee Loader, a pound of powder, a hundred primers and a box of thirty caliber bullets. Today the owner of any store that would sell a setup like that to a fourteen year old would be cordially invited to cease and desist from doing business, but times were different back then. I am quite sure my parents had no idea what I was up to in the basement hammering on the bench made from two sawhorses and a selection of 2 by 6 boards. My focus was to be able to afford to shoot; hitting anything was secondary in importance. Early ballistic testing media was the soft gumbo mud that made up the Merrimack River banks. Looking back, I can remember few details of my early loads. The can was the shape of today’s IMR offerings but the numbers on the can are just a blur in my mind. The weight is easy, one scoop. I don’t have a clue how much the scoop held but it seamed to work for me.
Several years and many miles later found me wanting to load .357 Magnum. Once again, I turned to the Lee Loader. My reloading bench was a wonderful sturdy steel bench. I am not at liberty to give a lot of details of the when and where this took place, the US Navy not being known for a sense of humor about explosives aboard their ships and I’m not sure what the statute of limitations are on such offences. At this point in my shooting life, the desire to actually hit a target manifested itself and I began to practice shooting and experimenting with different loads. A mentor/teacher came on the scene at the same time; I still call Ron a friend today. One duty night, he came down to the locksmith and engraving shop I called home aboard ship for an evening of reloading. The first time he attempted to seat a primer he accidentally set it off, launching the knockout rod and almost causing him some embarrassment in the laundry department. We had to recover the rod from its resting place, buried in the lagging on the overhead. He led me up four decks to the optical shop, his home, where he proceeded to turn out a reloading set on the tool room lathe. It was ingenious. He enlisted the shop’s bench top drill press into service as a press. It did everything a modern “C” press could do. He turned the first powder trickler I ever saw. And he introduced me to a scale. The whole setup disappeared during working hours but could come to life in less than a minute when needed on a duty night. I couldn’t begin to guess the countless thousands of rounds that home made setup loaded. I discovered load development and the vast improvements changing powders and charge weights can make in shooting.
Five years and nearly a continent later, Ron and I set up a gunsmith and reloading shop. We had the top of the line progressive presses and more than eighty sets of dies. Somewhere in that time, I learned to shoot and tiny groups became the focus of my reloading instead of just hitting the backstop. Today the shop is gone but my basement reloading bench has an RCBS Rockchucker, electronic scale, three powder measures, two trimmers and hand tools two numerous to list. There is even a big blue press and a monster sized orange progressive of some sort down there somewhere although I have never used them.
Today I spend a lot of time in case preparation. A new case will be full length resized, trimmed to length, the flash hole will be deburred, the neck turned, and the primer pocket uniformed before loading. Has it made a difference? You bet it has. Is it worth all the effort? That depends. I find great satisfaction in shooting small holes in paper. I also feel comfortable in taking some long shots in the field and making clean kills, something very important to me. I also enjoy spending those cold wet evenings we are so famous for in the Pacific Northwest carefully crafting the best ammunition for each of my rifles. I find a sense of accomplishment looking at a reloading block full of shiny rounds ready for the range or a day of varmint hunting.
I have gone back to the beginning in some ways. I prefer to use hand dies for most of my reloading. I have made them myself from scraps of one-inch diameter scrap stock. My only expense is a Redding TIN coated bushing and two 4-40 cap screws. With a press I made from a four dollar antique bottle capper and my Harrell’s powder measure I can reload in the field, making load development at the range a breeze. Another advantage became evident last spring when I was invited on a squirrel hunt. My friends brought thousands of rounds for the hunt but I only have ninety-eight pieces of brass formed for my wildcat varmint rifle. I was able to load right from my shooting bench. I would shoot until my barrel got hot, reload, and then spot for my friends until the barrel cooled and I could resume shooting.
As I look back, those hand dies look a lot like those early Lee Loaders of my youth. And in some ways, they resemble the drill press dies of my Navy years. They are simple, easy to carry and use, and load some pretty good ammunition. In some ways, I have gone around in a complete circle.
 
I've been using a Lee turret press with the auto index taken off and use it as a single stage for years. I do have extra turrets with die sets of all the handgun calibers I reload for so all I have to do is change turrets. I also have one of the cheap little reloader presses for odd jobs like separate crimping at times.I like to experiment with new or different loads and may only load a dozen or two at one time or maybe a couple of hundred. I also have two RCBS balance beam scales that i've used for years. Maybe my setup is not as fast as some but it works for me.
 
I started off with a progressive fifteen years ago and still use a progressive, exclusively. Always used a balance scale. In my minds eye, absolutely nothing wrong with you're way of doing things.
Bronson7
 
If you are young enough, loading old school is great. Over the years however I noticed a toll on my body after extended reloading sessions. If I tried to load 500+ rounds a weekend, there would be a series of aches and pains the next day. If I loaded enough I wouldn't be able to work the press for 3 or 4 days. Eventually found out I had a bone spur in my shoulder. I now load on a Dillon 650. However it gets really pricey trying to reload all the calibers I do on the Dillon. For now I load all of my pistol calibers (with the exception of 480 Ruger) and 223 Remington on the Dillon. All of the remaining rifle calibers I load on an RCBS single station press. The Dillon is a big step up in complexity. What I like best about the single station press is the ease of caliber conversions. If you are not careful on the Dillon you can end up with a lot of high seated primers , possible double powder charges and a few crushed cases. After a friend double charged a 45 Long Colt on my Dillon, I went out and immediately purchased a powder check die. He also managed to double charge a 45 ACP on his Hornady. He set the 45 ACP round aside and his girlfriend placed it back with his good ammo. My high seated primer problem went away once I realized the press had not been properly tightened down to the bench. The Dillon is absolutely 100% reliable when everything is working properly. However there is a definitely a learning curve involved in switching over to a progressive press. When the Dillon hangs up or something works loose, you need to be really careful. It also best to work up loads on the single station. It simply takes too much time and effort trying to adjust the powder measure for test loads. My main complaint on the Dillon is that switching from small to large primers is a real bear. Must have been a woman who designed the Dillon. My rather large, chunky fingers make primer conversions a real pain.
 
It really depends on what I am loading. I have a couple 550B's that see most of the action, but I also have a couple single stage presses, powder measures and so on. I load 'old school' occasionally but most of the time I am in production mode using the progressives.
 
admiral said:
i've been using an old lyman spartan press w/lee dies and a lee safety scale for over 15 years now. don't see any need to change. get good results and it "just feels like home".

if i shot competition or something that required a high volume of ammo i might consider something else, but i don't, so i'm happy.

Same here -- although I have an electronic scale I use now and then, and also use a Lee Hand Press to develop loads at the range.

I load around 12,000 rounds a year, mostly .38 Special and .45 ACP.
 
Have you noticed how it seems to digressing over to the modern loading equipment when this was dedicated to the old and simple, if slow, loading equipment??? So many people are soo brainwashed by "big Blue" they can't see the rainbow...:D
 
Forester CoAx with a PACT dispenser/scale combo. HOWEVER, I am squirreling $ away for a beam scale as backup - checkup on the electronic setup. Call me "Middle of the Road?"
 
I tried to reload in 1962 with Lyman Tong tool. What a waste. I started real reloading in 1964 with C-H 3 station H press and Lyman-Ohaus M5 balance beam scale. Replaced the C-H press with Bair 3 station H press in/about 1970 (longer handle/better leverage). Still have the Bair press and Lyman-Ohaus scale but added an RCBS/Pact electronic scale several years ago. Used RCBS Rockchucker for several years and then switched to arbor press and bench rest dies for .222, .25-06, and 7 Mag rifles. Also added a pair of Hornady LNL progressive presses for .44 Mag and .45 ACP plus a Hornady 366 progressive shotshell press. For powder measures, I use Redding Competition 10-X (pistols), Redding Competition BR-30 (small rifles), and Neil Jones Micro PM (large rifles). My loading equipment has changed a lot in 40+ years. Yes, I DO enjoy reloading and shooting my own ammunition.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

ps: I cast all my handgun bullets in Hensley & Gibbs moulds and size them in Star lubricator/sizer.
 
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