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NYC is infamous to knife users for their calling just about any pocket knife a "gravity knife". In this instance the victim of this abuse contacted Knife Rights and eventually got a judgement against NYC.

NYC Knife Arrest Leads to $12,500 Settlement

Once again, a particularly unjust gravity knife arrest in New York City has resulted in a big dollar settlement, this time for $12,500. The person arrested, who we will call "John" (Hispanic male whose name is withheld at his request), was, according to John, driving his late-model Audi sedan when officers in an unmarked NYPD car stopped him. He claims he was approached by three plainclothes police officers and despite the fact that John claims that the car was in perfect working order, one of the officers claimed it had a broken taillight.

For no apparent reason, according to John, he was ordered to exit his vehicle and was brought around to the back by one of the officers where he was questioned about where he lived and worked, and how someone like him came to be driving a luxury vehicle. While John was being questioned, one of the officers, without permission or apparent probable cause, according to John, conducted an unauthorized search of the vehicle. Afterwards, John says he was told to puts his hands behind his back because he was under arrest for possession of a gravity knife.

John is a mechanic who uses his pocket knife, which was purchased at a local hardware store, for work. Despite the fact that his knife was secured out-of-sight in a closed zippered canvas bag with his other mechanic's tools, according to John, in the criminal complaint the arresting officer claimed that John's pocket knife was in the passenger compartment, visible and in plain sight, arguably a violation in New York City, when he initially approached the vehicle.

John claimed he never saw the officers perform the "wrist flick" test. He says they simply claimed the knife was a gravity knife. John states that though the knife did lock open with a liner lock, it was not "flickable," and that two hands were needed to open it.

He was handcuffed and transported to the local police precinct where he was finger printed, had mug shots taken and had his name checked in the various law enforcement data bases to determine if he had a criminal record. Despite the fact that John's record came back clean (indicating no prior criminal convictions), the arresting officers apparently declined to exercise their discretion and issued a Desk Appearance Ticket and brought him to Central Booking where he waited in a prison cell until 3:00 pm the next day to be arraigned (total time from arrest to release after arraignment was approximately 15 hours).

Over the course of the next three months John had to appear in criminal court on three separate occasions with the threat of up to a year in jail hanging over his head each time. On his third court appearance, John's case was dismissed.

NYC Donate Button Subsequently, John contacted Knife Rights and was referred to attorney Richard Holzberg to pursue a claim against the City of New York and the NYPD for false arrest and malicious prosecution, resulting in the settlement of $12,500.

While the settlement shows this is yet another egregious violation of the law and public trust by NYPD, Knife Rights reminds those who live or travel in New York City that the City's administrative code has an under-4-inch length limit and requires knives be carried concealed at all times. Knife Rights recommends that you never carry your knife clipped to your pocket in New York City. Even when covered by a jacket, simply moving the jacket aside to get to a wallet has been enough to get folks arrested. Always ensure your knife is completely concealed at all times, including not "printing" on the outside of your clothing. In addition, be extremely circumspect about using a knife for any purpose in a public setting.

Note also that NYC has interpreted the state law against gravity knives such that if an officer can "wrist flick" the knife blade open and the knife blade locks open, that knife is an illegal gravity knife. NYC takes this position even if it requires multiple tries and use of exaggerated arm thrust or motion. Using this interpretation, most any lockblade knife might be deemed an illegal gravity knife. If you are arrested for possession of an "illegal knife" in New York, please contact Knife Rights at: [email protected]
 
Thanks hso.

If there weren't these articles I wouldn't believe it.

Question, is it simply a wrist flick test or does it have to only be able to be opened with 2 hands? IOW, are they saying any 1 hand open-able knife is a gravity knife?
 
IOW, are they saying any 1 hand open-able knife is a gravity knife?
If it has a locking blade, yes. Even if it takes 12 months' practice and 50 tries to actually successfully open it using inertia, and 99 out of 100 officers can't get it to flick open.
 
NYPD offivcers have been known to hold the blade and flick the handle out and call it a gravity knife. The handle often times being heavier is easier to flick out. Add a locking blade, illegal in NYC, and you may be looking at a stay in the Graybar Hotel.
 
The worst part of this abuse (and as a retired cop... it's abuse plain and simple) is that whether it's legal/justified or not - a citizen still gets arrested, with all the hassle and problems that causes. For every case that ends up back in court where the individual gets some compensation, there are many many cases where someone without assistance simply accepts the injustice. Wish it weren't so....
 
I can only assume the outcome might have been different had the driver been an old white guy like me.
 
The worst part of this abuse (and as a retired cop... it's abuse plain and simple) is that whether it's legal/justified or not - a citizen still gets arrested, with all the hassle and problems that causes. For every case that ends up back in court where the individual gets some compensation, there are many many cases where someone without assistance simply accepts the injustice. Wish it weren't so....
That's what they count on.
 
I'll bet the court offered a fine instead of jail time. Money raising trick in a time of tight budgets.
 
I can only assume the outcome might have been different had the driver been an old white guy like me.

I, as another old white guy, don't want to test my luck.

My EDC, a CRKT, can be opened with one hand by pulling on an extension of the back of the blade, then flicking it. It is not honestly classifiable as a gravity knife – but hey we are talking about NYC. It's a good thing that I have no reason to go there, and it is a good thing that I read this thread in case I find that I must go.
 
Actually, from my perspective, this knife stuff is quite a bit different from "red light traps". Since I've paid for two tickets in that category ( I tow a boat for a living down here in south florida and am usually going down the road long before the sun comes up...). The truth of the matter about these "photo traps" is that they're generating revenue with tickets that no cop would ever write (at least in my experience -and I wrote my share of tickets as a young cop all those years ago...). In short they're indefensible, period - but that's just my opinion.

As far as the knife enforcement -that sort of stuff is old school, being taught on the street by older guys to the young ones as they come out of the academy... The arrests have nothing to do with the final outcome in court (and I wouldn't be surprised at all to hear that the arresting officer doesn't even bother to appear in court if nothing else is involved...). The entire point of the exercise is the ability to arrest someone for something petty that might allow a "search incident to arrest" and bring what is essentially an illegal search into circumstances where it might stand in subsequent proceedings. No, not a pretty picture at all....

As a general point I usually don't comment on specific arrests since different areas have different standards (and my police years are long behind me). This kind of stuff though has been going on forever and needs to be opposed wherever it shows up. Stopping this sort of stuff would also be beneficial to all the young guys and gals coming out of their local police academy since the pressure to "go along" can be pretty overwhelming...
 
The entire point of the exercise is the ability to arrest someone for something petty that might allow a "search incident to arrest" and bring what is essentially an illegal search into circumstances where it might stand in subsequent proceedings.

That used to be the case in NYC and very much is going on elsewhere, BUT in NYC this abuse is straight from District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. The whole story behind this is one of the most egregious abuses by government. The DA decided to redefine locking one hand opening knives as "gravity knives" regardless of how much effort had to be expended in flicking one open. The city extorted the large retailers (Home Depot included) into surrendering their one hand openers and paying into a fund or face prosecution. The retailers all caved. The city then began a program of having LEOs actively looking for any pocket clip on individuals and using that to stop and search and then charge the individuals for carrying a "gravity knife" (pocket clip means one hand opener, one hand opener means gravity knife therefore pocket clip = instant probable cause). Since the people charged were given a choice of jail or fine they all have caved in and paid the fine and lost their knives. http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=235&Itemid=1

Here's a letter to WSJ after they touted some quality one hand openers - http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=151

The irony of your May 14 article "Stay Sharp" is that a New York City based publication has commended to its readers pocket knives that are virtually impossible to purchase in the city because they have been wrongly demonized by New York County D.A. Cyrus Vance, Jr.

Vance has targeted these common, practical and perfectly legal one-hand opening pocket knives as part of a campaign to persecute and prosecute law-abiding knife owners and retailers, falsely claiming them to be illegal "gravity knives." Vance has charged many people carrying knives indistinguishable from those shown in your article with 4th Degree Criminal Possession of a Weapon, punishable by up to a year in jail. Vance has also targeted retailers selling these knives, seizing their inventory and intimidating them into paying involuntary "contributions" to a Vance-administered slush fund to avoid prosecution,--to the tune of almost two million dollars.

Unjustly persecuting honest citizens and businesses over a common, everyday tool is an extraordinary waste of taxpayer dollars that clogs up the courts and costs the city badly needed income and business. Virtually all the criminal charges brought in this scam end up being dismissed. You would think that Vance could find enough real crime in the city worthy of his attention, rather than trying to turn innocent citizens into criminals by picking on one of man's oldest and most useful tools.
 
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When I worked in NYC there was also a certain "collars for dollars" mentality. Any arrest was a good one if it provided the cop with some overtime. So look for an arrest, no matter how minor, near the end of your tour. Easy enough to find, including a knife clip showing, which they took as "displaying a knife". Illegal by NYC administrative code, along with locking blades.

On the opposite scale, if they had someplace to go after their tour, many offenses were overlooked at that time.

So, the city gets some fine money, the cop makes some OT and is credited with a weapons arrest, and the deft. gets a record. They figured 2 out 3 were happy, so all is good.

Needless to say, most cops didn't think this way, but there were enough to make some people's lives miserable.
 
Thanks HSO.... I've just learned something (knew there are several really good reasons to avoid that area - this just adds another one..). Hope the folks in that area decide that the individual responsible shouldn't hold that office....

"Collars for dollars" (whether it's a petty weapons arrest or a border-line DUI arrest) will always be with us -for a few in police work. In my experience they're not the majority - but there are enough around to give police work a bad image (as if anything else was needed). Good supervision, along with competent professional police management can make a serious dent in that sort of stuff. Glad I've been lucky enough to be twenty years retired from police work. If you know any level headed sharp young folks - encourage them into the profession if they're interested... We need all we can get -both guys and gals.
 
"Apparently they don't understand what "gravity" means."
I think in most cases they think it means, "This guy can't afford competent legal representation."
 
NYC's jihad against small folding pocketknives is so wrongheaded that even the Village Voice says it's ridiculous. When communitarians go so far that they lose the Village Voice, they have really jumped the shark.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/ho...nife-law-has-landed-thousands-in-jail-6662589

Some recent legal developments:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/ny...nd-over-prosecution-of-gravity-knives-7250847
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/co...ntroversial-nyc-knife-law-moves-ahead-7686487
 
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