One Powder for 45 acp/colt, 12 gu?

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Wondering if it's possible, or desirable, to load three cartridges using the same powder. Here are the calibers:

45 acp.
45 colt, used in blackhawk and 1894
12 guage, for #6, 00, slugs

I bought some clays yesterday, they'll work in the 12 gu and colt, but not the acp.

Not looking for any +p loads here. Figure I'll be loading 250 grains rnfp in the colts, between 1-1 1/8 in the shotgun and 200's or 230's in the acp.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Bit
 
Shoot that 45 Colt the way it was meant to be shot. Goex 2f you can also use it in shotgun. Maybe even 45acp. Although im not too sure how it would cycle
 
I use "Promo" in .45 Colt and 9mm, and it was designed for the 12 gauge. My favorite (not my highest power) .45 Colt load uses Promo. It should work better in the .45 ACP than it does in 9mm, and it works pretty good in the 9mm.

It is really cheap to use, and it burns clean. The only downside is you have to buy it 8# at a time.
 
Great site, 243...

I didn't see clays in my reload manuals for acp, threw me off.

But... after looking at that site, looks like Universal would be a better choice than clays. Mostly 'cause clays isn't listed for slugs and it had higher fps at same pressures for the pistols.

I'm starting to think I should use 230 grains in the colt and acp now. Where's my ballistics calculator...

You guys are the BEST!

Thanks!
Bit
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I've used Unique, but have been looking at Universal.


Anybody have experience with both? Which burns cleaner, new Unique or universal clays?

I should just go buy a pound and compare for myself, but it's starting to break 110F here.
 
I'd like to second the recommendation of ACP230. If ever there was a powder that can be used in almost any application, UNIQUE is that powder. RedDot/Promo is an excellent powder, which burns cleaner than Unique, but lacks slower burning speed oft needed for +P loads in .45 Colt or magnum-level loads in shotguns. If most of your shotgun reloading is for skeet&trap or dove &quail, then the heavier loads that're often made from Unique won't really matter, and RedDot/ClayDot/Promo might be the way to travel. I've used Alliant Herco when I couldn't obtain Unique, and it has a slight edge in +P .45 Colt. I can't say how it works in shotguns. It was originally marketed for use in magnum shotshells, so I suspect it'd work well. You mention that you're not trying for heavier loads, but 00 buckshot and slugs tend to be pushed rather hard. One can use Unique for lighter loads in 12 gauge, and increase the charge if heavier loads are needed. I don't know that this flexibility is as evident with RedDot.
I'm not as familiar with the Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester/"who's next?" line of pistol/shotgun powders as I probably should be. An old shotgunner friend of mine said he'd go out of his way to use IMR PB and nothing else in his .20 gauge, for all power levels. I've used it in.38 Special, .45 Colt and .45 ACP, and like it very well. It will bring out the full power of the .45 ACP without excessive pressures. It's a bit too fast-burning for heavier (more powerful than factory) loads in .45 Colt, but very clean burning in every application I've tried. Were I in your situation, my first choice would be Alliant Unique, followed by Alliant Herco, followed by IMR PB.

I hope you find this information of help.
 
Kosh,
If you like Herco (and who doesn't) you owe it to yourself to try WSF.

I load .45 Colt using Promo to about 20000 psi and it's a very enjoyable "+P" load that delivers about 1050 to 1100 fps with 230 grain cast bullets. It's the one .45LC load that I always keep a few hundred on hand. But if you try to go to 25000 psi or more with it, the recoil is too harsh for the mediocre increase in performance. That's when I switch to Herco or WSF.

I've played around with Blue Dot and 296, but didn't like the Blue Dot (although I didn't really give it a fair chance) and 296 just uses too much expensive powder except to shoot every once in a while when I'm showing off. ;)
 
You might give HS 6 a look, I use it for 12ga. and 45 acp and the Lyman book I have also gives loadings for 45 colt

Atlasx
 
I'm glad someone else reccommended PB. I was given some by a fellow who quit reloading shotgun shells, and I have had good luck with it in 45ACP with a 200grain plated bullet. Very clean and accurate.
 
Thanks, ZXCV, for the recommendation of Winchester WST. Is it still being made? If I find a pound of it at a nearby gunstore, I'll get some.

TexasTBird, how gratifying it is to know that there are a few of us who still know what a fine powder PB is. I'm just apprehensive that Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester/"who's next?" will discontinue it. WHenever I see a can of it for sale, I try to pick one up. It's too good a powder to retire before its time.
 
I use Hodgon Clays for target shooting exclusively in my 1911 .45, but it was designed as a shotgun powder. Clays is very popular for the .45.
 
Clays works well for me in .45 ACP. I can make major power factor for competition, and I can make soft loads as well. Major loads are quite comfortable to shoot, and soft loads are a dream.


Gun: 5" Kimber Cust TLE R/L II .45 ACP

Load:

3.9 g clays
230 g Rainier RN
Mixed brass
CCI LP primers
OAL: 1.255

10 shots in FPS using shooting chrony (75 deg temp)

1. 727
2. 717
3. 714 (Low)
4. 734
5. 765 (High)
6. 726
7. 734
8. 729
9. 757
10. 736

Average: 733 fps (168 power factor)
 
Thanks, ZXCV, for the recommendation of Winchester WST. Is it still being made? If I find a pound of it at a nearby gunstore, I'll get some.

I said WSF. It is a clean-burning equivalent of Herco, and it meters very well. I don't know about WST (WST and WSF are quite different)
 
Just in case anyone's keeping score...

Clays: 4
Goex 2F: 1
Promo: 5
Unique: 3
Herco: 1
HS 6: 1

What's interesting is what is NOT mentioned. Looks like I've narrowed it down to three. I did reload some max loads in my 45 colt at 250 grains and was a pleasure to shoot with clays. Didn't have my chrono with me though.

Ok, let's include +P's. You all are right about the 00 and slugs. See if red dot makes it.
 
In my Nosler book, Clays shows up as most accurate for .45ACP with 230gr.

Velocity was really slow, like 570fps.
 
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2 questions.
Is Promo the same as PB?
Can I use the Red Dot data when using Promo?
The reason I'm asking is that I can't find any .45acp or .45Colt recipes using Promo on the Alliant website.
 
Promo is the same as Red Dot, by weight but not by volume. It is a little denser (so it measures easier, but you have to readjust your powder measure or change bushings when switching between Promo and Red Dot) and it doesn't have the little red dots in it.
 
I was using Green dot, Bullseye, w231 but wanted to standardize powders. I use green dot now.I have used it for years in shotgun and now in 9mm pt92, 45acp pt1911,38spec,GP100 and 686. It does a great job in all for target. Cleaner than Bullseye I was using in 38 spec..

No matter where you go there you are.
 
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