Only 256,162 braced firearms were registered with ATF during the 120-day "amnesty" period

I thought about doing a SBR registration, decided not to. A couple thoughts on that:
  • in a vacuum, going SBR would be ideal, and doing so free would seem great
  • it's not in a vacuum. Nobody trusts what is happening. That includes people who already have stuff registered (other SBRs, suppressors etc).
I've not been able to comprehend the downside to using the free SBR registration, especially if someone already had a can or other NFA item that required a Goobermint permission slip. What is the downside that I'm missing?
 
NSSF estimates 20m +/- AR's produced. I find it hard to believe that there are 40m braced pistols out there.

and no I did not register mine.

Remember individuals and even companies where putting braces on everything they could. Rifles other than AR's, PCC with short barrels and even pump and semi auto shotguns (ie Shockwave, TAC14 etc).

40 million is definitely on the high side but very plausible.
 
That does make me wonder about the contents of the NFA registry.

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Their data doesn’t make much sense. One would think it’s obvious they have over 3 million if you processed more than that last year alone…

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I've not been able to comprehend the downside to using the free SBR registration, especially if someone already had a can or other NFA item that required a Goobermint permission slip. What is the downside that I'm missing?
There big one for me is you can't cross states lines with an SBR without asking permission from the ATF. You can with a suppressor, you cannot with and SBR/SBS, destructive device or full auto. You need to file a form 5320.20 and even if it is somewhere you routinely go you need to remember to file that form annually for each location.

Not too mention the part where, to get your free stamp, you send them pictures of your illegally configured SBR before you have received your stamp and have to cross your fingers you pass the background check with no issues including clerical since you just handed them court admissible evidence your are in possession of an unregistered SBR. I don't trust any three letter government agency that much. Depending on how this all plays out in the court I might still register a SBR but I will pay so I can send them just a serial number of the receiver I plan to cover to an SBR no incriminating photos required.
 
It is my opinion that registration could be precursor to confiscation. ;)

Yes it could. Although if they only took the few I registered, they'd be "taking" only a fraction of my firearms. And since some argument might be made that the AR lower is the SBR, leaving me the uppers would accomplish nothing in particular. The darker side is the argument that they use the database to identify gun owners and then take all the weapons you have, SBR or not. Paranoia aside, that's pretty unlikely in our current world. And before you throw Canada or Australia in my face, it remains true that the US and it's gun owners are NOT Australia or Canada. And I have a suppressor registered previously so I'm on "the list", whatever that is, anyway. Registering my braced pistols was a risk I thought worthwhile...to be able to remove braces on some and put on real stocks. And then others, like the 10/22 Charger pistol, I just wanted anything stock-like on. Yeah, I know, a 10/22 braced Charger is just a Ruger 10/22 with a short stock :D But its a heck of a lot of fun. And with a folding brace, it's pretty short.:rofl:

I agree, the state line thing is a pain, mcb, although I didn't think my suppressor could cross either. But, again, there are other firearms at home that can cross state lines. I just can't take all the toys across at once.

As far as the pictures, they didn't get any evidence at all. From me, they got pictures of the markings, not the whole firearms, and while the forms were submitted, the firearms were in legal form with braces removed. Just in case somebody came out to check. That's as far as my paranoia goes for now. Like everyone else, I'd just like to stay on the legal side of things.
 
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Yes it could. Although if they only took the few I registered, they'd be "taking" only a fraction of my firearms. And since some argument might be made that the AR lower is the SBR, leaving me the uppers would accomplish nothing in particular. The darker side is the argument that they use the database to identify gun owners and then take all the weapons you have, SBR or not. Paranoia aside, that's pretty unlikely in our current world. And before you throw Canada or Australia in my face, it remains true that the US and it's gun owners are NOT Australia or Canada. And I have a suppressor registered previously so I'm on "the list", whatever that is, anyway. Registering my braced pistols was a risk I thought worthwhile...to be able to remove braces on some and put on real stocks. And then others, like the 10/22 Charger pistol, I just wanted anything stock-like on. Yeah, I know, a 10/22 braced Charger is just a Ruger 10/22 with a short stock :D But its a heck of a lot of fun. And with a folding brace, it's pretty short.:rofl:

I agree, the state line thing is a pain, mcb, although I didn't think my suppressor could cross either. But, again, there are other firearms at home that can cross state lines. I just can't take all the toys across at once.

As far as the pictures, they didn't get any evidence at all. From me, they got pictures of the markings, not the whole firearms, and while the forms were submitted, the firearms were in legal form with braces removed. Just in case somebody came out to check. That's as far as my paranoia goes for now. Like everyone else, I'd just like to stay on the legal side of things.

I may have been wrong on the required picture thing. That did not heavily influence my choice because the crossing state lines (live in AL own land in TN) was the first and biggest turn off. Like I said depending on how this plays out in the courts I might register a SBR but so far running the brace-less AR pistol is not as awful as I first feared but I need a bit more time behind it.
 
There big one for me is you can't cross states lines with an SBR without asking permission from the ATF.
Well since your braced pistol is now considered an unregistered SBR you can't have it in either state so???
It's also pretty silly to worry about the 5320.20 it's good for a year just file one every July 4th.
Not too mention the part where, to get your free stamp, you send them pictures of your illegally configured SBR before you have received your stamp and have to cross your fingers you pass the background check with no issues including clerical since you just handed them court admissible evidence your are in possession of an unregistered SBR.
It literally states in the rule that you're good until approved. If you keep it as configured after you get denial that's not very smart.
 
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I'm one of the 250k. Have a braced Stribog. Tried shooting with just a sling, but no joy for me. So I took the free SBR route and will replace the brace with a better stock. If the time comes for confiscation, bigger problems have already occurred.
 
Well since your braced pistol is now considered an unregistered SBR you can't have it in either state so???
It's also pretty silly to worry about the 5320.20 it's good for a year just file one every July 4th.

It literally states in the rule that you're good until approved. If you keep it as configured after you get denial that's not very smart.
Before the rule change my suppressed braced AR pistol could cross state lines just fine. After the rule change my suppressed brace-less pistol crosses state lines just fine. Took me all of 10 minutes to reconfigure to a legal brace-less AR pistol.

I hear on the "good until approved" but that requires an amount of faith I simply did not have in ATF even if the odds were very long. It was easy to revert to a brace-less pistol and if the legal cases fall out in my favor I go back to a braced pistol, if not I will weigh running my brace-less pistol vs the hassle of dealing with the the SBR and form 5320.20. In that case I am out $200 that I might have saved.

The logical answer is SBR and SBS should be removed from the NFA since those were only ever added to the 1934 Firearms Act as a way to close perceived loopholes in handguns being made NFA items, an aspect of the law that got removed before the law passes.
 
Before the rule change my suppressed braced AR pistol could cross state lines just fine. After the rule change my suppressed brace-less pistol crosses state lines just fine. Took me all of 10 minutes to reconfigure to a legal brace-less AR pistol.
A registered SBR is only an SBR when it's in SBR configuration, so if you were to put a registered SBR lower in a legal rifle or pistol configuration you could still cross state lines with a brace-less AR pistol if you wanted.
Having 1 or 2 registered lowers opens up options. Sure it puts you on a list but you're already there having a NFA registered firearm (the suppressor).
 
Not too mention the part where, to get your free stamp, you send them pictures of your illegally configured SBR before you have received your stamp and have to cross your fingers you pass the background check with no issues including clerical since you just handed them court admissible evidence your are in possession of an unregistered SBR. I don't trust any three letter government agency that much. Depending on how this all plays out in the court I might still register a SBR but I will pay so I can send them just a serial number of the receiver I plan to cover to an SBR no incriminating photos required.
The points about state specific restrictions (ownership and travel) are well taken.

OTOH, I have to say that my apprehension at filing the eForm 1 was pretty much demonstrated to be a giant ol’ nothingburger. I sent pictures of a serial number and not the whole firearm - which was, by the way, not illegal to own until May 31 2023. If there was a concern over being slow rolled into being a felon, getting the registration in early in the amnesty period was probably prudent (or being prepared to convert the braced pistol).

Quite frankly, I don’t understand the concern about sending pictures of a firearm that was only illegal after a specific date when doing nothing guaranteed that you were illegal past that date.
 
It's also pretty silly to worry about the 5320.20 it's good for a year just file one every July 4th.
If you don't actually go anywhere I could see that being a non issue.
However, I couldnt give them dozens upon dozens of addresses across numerous states that I would be at over a year..
 
If you don't actually go anywhere I could see that being a non issue.
However, I couldnt give them dozens upon dozens of addresses across numerous states that I would be at over a year..
In that case.
A registered SBR is only an SBR when it's in SBR configuration, so if you were to put a registered SBR lower in a legal rifle or pistol configuration you could still cross state lines with a brace-less AR pistol if you wanted.
Since you're going to have to do that anyway now that a braced pistol is an unregistered SBR as of a couple days ago.
 
That article is dated November 16, 2020 January and specifically says "modern sporting rifles". So first of all 3½ years have elapsed since publication, and secondly, AR pistols would not be counted as "moern sporting rifles".

Yeah they would as MSR is PC for AR. Do I need to spell those acronyms out?

but let’s be serious “pistols” didn’t outsell rifles (not talking about real handguns)
 
The points about state specific restrictions (ownership and travel) are well taken.

OTOH, I have to say that my apprehension at filing the eForm 1 was pretty much demonstrated to be a giant ol’ nothingburger. I sent pictures of a serial number and not the whole firearm - which was, by the way, not illegal to own until May 31 2023. If there was a concern over being slow rolled into being a felon, getting the registration in early in the amnesty period was probably prudent (or being prepared to convert the braced pistol).

Quite frankly, I don’t understand the concern about sending pictures of a firearm that was only illegal after a specific date when doing nothing guaranteed that you were illegal past that date.
I replaced my upper with one with a 16" barrel. Being that I am a woman over 70 and under 5' tall, the shorter barrel was much more appropriate for me, but I'm just gonna grit my teeth and use it the best I can. I hope it won't be long until the new rule is thrown out.
 
I was going to register 4 but then backed off to 2 and then we decided to move so I ended up doing 0. I did remove the brace… actually my 11 yr old daughter did. I handed her the gun that she deer hunts with and told her to unscrew the back portion. When it came off she looked at me and said “this is dumb”. And then I asked her what taking it off accomplished and she said that it just made the gun smaller and easier to conceal.
 
...I hope it won't be long until the new rule is thrown out.

I decided to remove the offending pieces and make mine a pistol. My home states is super majority Democrat and I worry they may ban SBRs. My only hope is the rule change is overturned judicially. I don't think Congress will pass legislation and the current occupant sign a law to change the 1934 Act.
 
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I decided to remove the offending pieces and make mine a pistol. My home states is super majority Democrat and I worry they may ban SBRs. My only hope is the rule change is overturned judicially. I don't think Congress will pass legislation and the current occupant sign a law to change the 1934 Act.
Given that preliminary injunctions are only granted when the court believes the plaintiff is likely to prevail, I think there is a very good chance that the cases currently in process will overturn the rule. I don't know if they can overturn it nationwide, but if not and it goes to SCOTUS I think we have a very good chance that it will be overturned there.
 
I was going to register 4 but then backed off to 2 and then we decided to move so I ended up doing 0. I did remove the brace… actually my 11 yr old daughter did. I handed her the gun that she deer hunts with and told her to unscrew the back portion. When it came off she looked at me and said “this is dumb”. And then I asked her what taking it off accomplished and she said that it just made the gun smaller and easier to conceal.

Funny how your 11 yo gets it and the atf, Biden administration diesnt.
 
With as many as 50 miles braced pistols and only 255,262 registered. 40 million felons? There6 not enough prisons nor le personel to enforce this tule without building more prisons and hiring several million more officers. l
 
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