OPEN CARRY Front pages of LA Times

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TAB, I think that is a very unrational way of thinking.

if they are going to notice the gun, then they surely will notice the two magazines right next to it, and if you have a gun, why would a criminal even take the chance, they like easy prey.
 
how long does it take you to draw, load fire?

whats the chances of you doing that before I can shoot you?

its very simple, on the street guns= cash. Who do you want to rob, some one were you know you can make several hundred dallors, with no risk, or some one were you have no idea how much you can make and is still no risk.
 
I can get to the story but I can't find the link to the comments, I think the server knows I'm logging in from a phone
 
The story was run here in Washington in various forms. The Tacoma News Tribune ran a portion of the story and ended with the following comment:
In Washington, a 1969 law essentially bans openly carrying firearms and other weapons where doing so can cause alarm.
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This is liberal editorializing and misleading. Here’s the actual 1969 RCW they refer to:
RCW 9.41.270: It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.
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The phrase “cause alarm” does not appear in the RCW. To “manifest an intent to intimidate” one would have to show clearly (manifest) a plan or purpose (intent) to persuade or dissuade by frightening (intimidate) someone. A citizen walking in the park or on a city street with an openly carried firearm would not fall reasonably under that definition.

To “warrant alarm for the safety of other persons”, someone would have to have a justifiable reason to believe or think (warrant) that they feared for their safety. Passing a person in the park or on a city street who is carrying a firearm in a holster on their belt would not reasonably warrant a fear for their safety.

Additionally, the statue lists four conditions that must be met to before it can be enforced. They are: manner, circumstance, time, AND place (the qualifier “or” does not appear).
The Federal Way Police training bulletin explains the RCW thusly:
“In this law, mere possession of an openly carried handgun is not illegalized. In order to support an enforcement action under this law the officer must be able to articulate (describe in a convincing manner) malicious intent by the suspect or circumstances that reasonably cause alarm to the public. In either case, because open carry in Washington is presumably legal, the articulation must include something beyond mere open possession.”
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In fact, the Washington Court of Appeals has recently affirmed a trial court's holding that this Washington law "does not and, under the [Washington State] Constitution, cannot prohibit the mere carrying of a firearm in public." State v. Casad, 139 Wash.App. 1032 (Wash. App.Div.2 2007) (suppressing evidence of unlawful possession of firearms because stop of Defendant was not grounded in reasonable articulable suspicion of any crime).
 
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1.Most people in rual AZ don't care about open carry one way or the other.

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Huh, I must be doing it wrong. I O.C. in the middle of Tucson (and Salt Lake City) every time I'm not entering a military base (I'm USAF) and I have had one (neutral) comment in 8 months. Places I carry: Lowes, Walmart, Barnes & Noble, Blockbuster, Fry's, Safeway, Borders, REI, ACE Hardware, Home Depot, Starbucks, all gun stores, public libraries, bicycle shops, gas stations, coffee shops (non-SB's), shooting ranges.

I guess African-Americans should have fought for their civil rights by not sitting at lunch counters, at the front of busses, attending public schools, holding marches on public streets, voting, making speeches, filing law suits, becoming doctors, lawyers, scientists, poets, writers, teachers, politicians, atheletes or activists.

'Cause hiding in the closet is the best way to raise awareness for your cause. :banghead:
 
I don't see a viable future for open carry. I am, obviously, pro-RKBA, and don't think open carry should be made illegal. I just don't think it's a good idea in the vast majority of circumstances, especially in population centers in most regions. It's also possible that an increase in OC could actually lead to an increase in restrictions rather than acceptance.

K
 
Oh, to be so ashamed of a right, that it should be covered up. Which others of the rights named in the bill of rights would you so willingly hide? Tuck that cross in your shirt so that nobody can see it, because it might offend someone? Stop talking about politics on the sidewalk, because a passerby might not agree and would get angry? Perhaps you'd better not print that poster of Oleg's, because someone won't like it.

There's clearly no future in rights.
 
What's a Springfield XD-35? (A minor nit.)
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The next day, Thompson got a concealed-weapons permit. ----
If only it was that easy...
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I am the Scott Thompson of the article, overall I was pleased with the tone and angle, but few things in the several paragraphs about me were accurate:
my comments in red

Nearby, Scott Thompson picked over the remains of a salad, his Springfield Armory XD-35 sitting snugly in his hip holster.

Gotta love that XD-35!!! I carry an XD 45

The gangly (how is 6'5" and 235 pounds gangly?) graphics designer grew up in a home without guns and didn't think of owning one until he started dating a woman -- now his wife -- who lived in a rough neighborhood. (false, I became a gun owner over a year before I met my wife) One night last year, a youth had his head beaten in with a pipe outside her bedroom window. The next day, Thompson got a concealed-weapon permit. I wish it only took a day! I actually got it last summer, 9 months before meeting my wife -- and it took me 101 days to get it!

Thompson found out about open carry last month (now 3 months...) while reading gun sites. He's become a convert. He likes the statement it makes. Got it right!

Glancing around the restaurant, as armed families like the Jensens dined with men in cowboy hats and professionals like himself, Thompson smiled.


"I love this," he said. "I want people to be aware that crazy people are not the only ones with guns. Normal people carry them."
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Leftwing politicians and leftwing voters try to convince everybody that the 2nd ammendment only applies to the American military.

But, "militia" means you and me, the people coming together to defend itself against a threat. When will these leftwing nuts stop? Clearly THEY are the biggest threat to the country, not Heller.
 
theres some 800 comments now. Alot of pro-gun mixed in with the sheeple calling OCers John Waynes, saying that they're insecure wusses, saying how people dont get shot in Europe despite that many people who get stabbed, and even berating of the constitution. I take it alot of Eurotrash read our news so that they can find excuses to pretentiously insult us on the internet, because there is a decent amount of comments relating to Germany and the UK. At least there are some people who seem sensible who arent really stuck onto either side of the argument, but they are few and far between.
 
what would happen to you if they did? openly carrying a empty firearm is the worst thing I can think of to do. not only are people going to look at the gun, if the notice that it is unloaded, its like walking around flashing your bank roll around.
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Can you tell the difference between a loaded magazine inserted in a gun, gun in holster, from an unloaded magazine in a gun, gun in a holster?
 
It's sad to see so many people lacking the courage to exercise their rights and berating people for having the courage. Both in the comment section of the article and here in THR.
 
I just got a call from an editor at the LA Times, telling me that they're going to publish my response to this article in Saturday's edition. Here's what I emailed in:

Dear Sir or Madam,

I'd like to comment favorably on Nicholas Riccardi's June 7th article entitled "Packing in public: Gun owners tired of hiding their weapons embrace 'open carry.'" Mr. Riccardi presented a woefully unrepresented side of the law-abiding people that choose to arm themselves for protection and to keep the tradition of personal arms alive in this country. As pointed out in the article, these people are no more likely to harm anyone with their guns on than without, and they are exercising their rights - something more of us should do.

Congratulations to you for including Mr. Riccardi on your staff.

Nathan Plant
Santa Clara, CA
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What do you think?
 
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