Open Carry, TX. style

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Gun Bill HB 554 just passed. Defense to prosecution for accidentally (ie forgetting) carrying a handgun to/thru the secure area of an airport IF you are a CHL holder - as long as you leave the secure area back into the insecure area once notified. Nice.

HB 910 is now up for consideration. Covering the changes of the amendments. Concur for passage moved. But discussion is happening. Lots of mis-reps lined up to speak (presumably against).
 
Let it be known that the anti's fought until the bitter end.

I do not give two flying anythings about the comfort of our officers.
Officers make me uncomfortable all the time.
 
Turner is trying to get the rules suspended so they can talk about this until everybody drops dead... discussion about that seems to have failed.

Now people are lined up to speak for or against the bill.
 
The Anti's are all using the same old arguments that they used in the Senate (Day-cares, banks, what if, what if, what if). All are showing their ignorance of the word "solely", just as they did in the Senate.

Some of these people are purposely, maliciously misrepresenting what this Bill (and especially the Dutton Amendment) means.
 
"the amendment has to be adjusted for us to do our job"

OH you mean they need to be adjusted so you can harass us?




"If you were an officer again, what would be your greatest fear"
-"That I could not protect the public I was sworn to protect"
What a load!




ALL of these people need to be voted out.
 
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"im not sure this amendment is not a way to make sure open carry doesnt happen."


this is just simple procedure to get it to conference.. we just need to discuss it more.
 
rep ancha: it makes it an unregulated and unenforceable open carry. If you had concerns before you should have concerns now

urban areas have no way to enforce the open carry bill. We are not talking about something light here. Members these are deadly weapons. We must give law enforcement the tools to do their job. When there is someone strange carrying in .... your constituents are not going to thank you for removing the tool that officers need.

If someone is walking up and down your front sidewalk and your neighbor calls the cops. .. your neighbor is not going to thank you for voting for this bill.
 
bonnen:

some police are for some are against. Are you aware of the one fact that this is a troubling amendment unanimously. Our police have different views on the bill, but they are 1000% united on being against this amendment.
 
kenneth sheets-

If we vote no does this go to conference? If the prevailing side is no to concur the bill will go to conference committee. Meet with senate ...
 
stickland - you want law enforcement to be able to ask if someone is licensed?

Ancha - If they cannot do that they are put in harms way.

stickland - would you ask if they can do that for legal status to be in the country?
 
parliamentary question -- if we vote against the concur - then it goes to conference. If they cant come to resolution the bill comes back and we can move to concur?

Even if they cant reach agreement we can bring it back and we can choose to concur.
 
they are trying to make it clear that a vote no does not kill the bill so that people that are on the fence will be ok to vote no (do not concur).
 
harlo dutton - purpose of crafting amendment I had in mind was that police follow the law.

tarry stop - police have reasonable suspicion that a person engaged in illegal activity

Some people are suggesting that police cant do their job with this amendment.

4th amendment was created to protect law abiding citizens. I am not willing to give up my liberty for the police to catch some criminal. Police can knock on everyones door until they find a criminal.

dutton is african american and is pointing out that blacks open carrying will be a target of police
 
If you dont put this amendment in there, you will have black people get harassed by police.

I got my CHL .. something is wrong with your fingerprints. I did it again. I had experts in fingerprints do it for me. It came back as something wrong with my fingerprints.

What Im trying to share with you is like it or not. there are two different responses to ..

<lost the feed>
 
"harlo dutton - purpose of crafting amendment I had in mind was that police follow the law."
Very noble and all, but this is a very settled area of law, so in reality the effect is negligible or negative (depending on how poor that wording ends up being in practice), and all we know for certain is its addition made the bill take an extremely treacherous scenic route (whose delay may well have cost us a quality campus carry bill). I know the man had good intentions, but his imperfect amendment has been the utter enemy of "good" throughout the whole process. I'm sure he had no idea what he was risking, even when he 'accidentally' let a reworded version of his amendment get added in the Senate to kick off yet another potentially dangerous detour.

"The example they kept giving was an area containing a MIR machine that might yank a handgun from a holster and plaster it to the side of the machine. Another example might be a portion of the University given over to the use of students and/or faculty of unsound mind incapable of safely handling or storing a firearm."
Both of those sound vague enough to be prone to extreme abuse. Heck, the argument against campus carry is the mids aren't of sound mind and are incapable of safety. Congratulations; now they can codify it in law. The MRI example is good for closing off a room; any bets on whether they'll try to extend it to the whole building and parts beyond?

"The House added the amendments to SB11, not the Senate"
Finally, I can now track this live and not have to guess at what is happening :) (and I knew it would have been the House, but wasn't thinking very hard :eek:)

"my understanding is it allows universities to post specific buildings on campus (not the entire campus) and they are also required to report to the legislature every two years what buildings are posted and why. It certainly isn't great; but it is better than nothing."
I'm very skeptical, but perhaps between this bill and the 30.06 posting restrictions, there will be a foundation/precedent to strip the schools of their remaining posting ability in the coming sessions, in time for constitutional carry. That's as optimistic as I can be about this, since it is guaranteed most universities will be working shifts to find justification for closing every building and dorm on campus. Compressed gas bottles in labs, proximity to UT's nuclear reactor, poor security in shared dorm units, culture shock; you name it, they'll find a reason to get a sign posted, and it'll stay up for at least two years.

At least this will waste a lot of otherwise dangerous legislature time/energy to rubberstamp every session (or are we to expect they will actually give each posting the 'close constitutional scrutiny' it deserves?)

TCB
 
HB910 failed its concurrence vote. It now goes to conference committee and has two days for any differences to be worked out and voted on. The Dutton/Huffhines amendment was the deal killer on concurrence.
 
f you dont put this amendment in there, you will have black people get harassed by police.

I got my CHL .. something is wrong with your fingerprints. I did it again. I had experts in fingerprints do it for me. It came back as something wrong with my fingerprints...

Fingerprints and rejections have been a problem from day one. It is common for older people to have faint prints. The DPS stipulated that after a third (!) rejection, the instructor could write a note with the next fingerprint card saying that these are the best prints that could be lifted. One woman here got her prints back rejected and, since she was going to be in Austin,went by the DPS office to get them done there. A trooper looked at the card and said, "There is nothing wrong with these prints. The CHL Unit is having trouble processing application within the legally mandated time frame and is rejecting prints to cover themselves." He hand-carried the prints to the bureaucrats and told them not to reject them again.
when they came up with the electronic print contract, it was a near-total scam. The business would fail to show up for appointments, and fail to deliver prints. One of the proprietors didn't approve of CHL and made this clear to people who used the service.
Law enforcement is running into a new phenomena when it comes to harassing black handgun licensees. When the State of New Jersey persecuted Shaneen Allen, it was gun owners and not freedom-denying liberrhoids who came to her defense, raised funds for her legal defense and eventually pressured the State to clear her from all charges.
 
Fail. Fail Texas legislature. FAIL. If the Dutton amendment was added with something like a 130-2 vote the first go around. why did this not just move forward?

What the heck!
 
Dutton is a Houston Democrat. 30 of the people who voted for his amendment voted against HB910 at every record vote. The amendment wasn't proposed because it helped HB910 and not everybody who voted for it wanted to see HB910 move forward.
 
By the way, for the record, here is the Dutton Amendment, stricken by the Senate, and the Huffhines Amendment that replaced it:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/senateamendana/pdf/HB00910A.pdf#navpanes=0

Dutton amendment, as passed by the House

DUTTON said:
Sec. 411.2049. CERTAIN INVESTIGATORY STOPS AND INQUIRIES PROHIBITED. A peace officer may not make an investigatory stop or other temporary detention to inquire as to whether a person possesses a handgun license solely because the person is carrying a partially or wholly visible handgun carried in a shoulder or belt holster.


Huffines amendment, as passed by the Senate

HUFFHINES said:
Sec. 411.2049. CERTAIN INVESTIGATORY STOPS AND INQUIRIES PROHIBITED. A peace officer may not make an investigatory stop or other temporary detention to inquire as to a person's possession of a handgun license solely because the person is carrying in a shoulder or belt holster a partially or wholly visible handgun.

As you can see, the language is identical in effect; but not word for word. The following Representatives voted FOR the Dutton Amendment.

Amendment No. 3 was adopted by (Record 295): 133 Yeas, 10 Nays, 1
Present, not voting.
Yeas — Allen; Alonzo; Anderson, C.; Anderson, R.; Ashby; Aycock; Bell;
Bernal; Blanco; Bohac; Bonnen, D.; Bonnen, G.; Burkett; Burns; Burrows;
Button; Canales; Capriglione; Clardy; Coleman; Cook; Craddick; Crownover;
Cyrier; Dale; Darby; Davis, S.; Davis, Y.; Deshotel; Dutton; Elkins; Faircloth; Fallon; Farney; Farrar; Fletcher; Flynn; Frank; Frullo; Galindo; Geren; Giddings; Goldman; Gonzales; Guerra; Guillen; Harless; Herrero; Howard; Huberty; Hughes; Hunter; Isaac; Israel; Kacal; Keffer; Keough; King, K.; King, P.; King, S.; King, T.; Klick; Koop; Krause; Kuempel; Landgraf; Larson; Laubenberg; Leach; Longoria; Lozano; Lucio; Ma´rquez; Martinez; McClendon; Metcalf; Meyer; Miller, D.; Miller, R.; Morrison; Mun˜oz; Murphy; Murr; Naishtat; Neva´rez; Oliveira; Otto; Paddie; Parker; Paul; Pen˜a; Phelan; Phillips; Pickett; Raney; Raymond; Reynolds; Riddle; Rinaldi; Rodriguez, E.; Rodriguez, J.; Romero; Rose; Sanford; Schaefer; Schofield; Schubert; Shaheen; Sheets; Sheffield; Simmons; Simpson; Smith; Smithee; Spitzer; Springer; Stephenson; Stickland; Thompson, E.; Thompson, S.; Tinderholt; Turner, E.S.; Turner, S.; VanDeaver; Villalba; Vo; Walle; White, J.; White, M.; Workman; Wray; Zedler; Zerwas.

Nays — Alvarado; Anchia; Collier; Gonza´lez; Gutierrez; Hernandez; Johnson; Moody; Turner, C.; Wu.
Present, not voting — Mr. Speaker(C).
Absent, Excused — Miles; Price.
Absent — Dukes; Farias; Martinez Fischer.

Today, the following people who were presented with the almost identical language of the Huffhines Amendment, voted as listed:

RV# 1585 — Unofficial Totals: 63 Yeas, 79 Nays, 2 Present, not voting


Yeas - Anderson, R.; Bell; Burns; Burrows; Button; Canales; Capriglione; Clardy; Craddick; Cyrier; Darby; Dutton; Elkins; Faircloth; Fallon; Flynn; Frullo; Huberty; Hughes; Hunter; Isaac; Kacal; Keffer; Keough; King, S.; King, T.; Klick; Krause; Landgraf; Laubenberg; Leach; Longoria; Lozano; Martinez; Metcalf; Murr; Oliveira; Otto; Paddie; Parker; Paul; Phelan; Phillips; Raney; Raymond; Rinaldi; Sanford; Schaefer; Schofield; Schubert; Shaheen; Simmons; Simpson; Spitzer; Springer; Stickland; Thompson, S.; Tinderholt; Turner, E.S.; White, J.; White, M.; Wray; Zedler

Nays - Allen; Alonzo; Alvarado; Anchia; Anderson, C.; Ashby; Aycock; Bernal; Blanco; Bohac; Bonnen, D.; Bonnen, G.; Burkett; Coleman; Collier; Cook; Dale; Davis, S.; Davis, Y.; Deshotel; Farias; Farney; Farrar; Fletcher; Frank; Galindo; Geren; Giddings; Goldman; Gonzales; González; Guerra; Gutierrez; Harless; Hernandez; Herrero; Howard; Israel; Johnson; King, K.; King, P.; Koop; Larson; Márquez; Martinez Fischer; Meyer; Miles; Miller, D.; Miller, R.; Minjarez; Moody; Morrison; Muñoz; Murphy; Naishtat; Nevárez; Peña; Pickett; Price; Reynolds; Riddle; Rodriguez, E.; Rodriguez, J.; Romero; Rose; Sheets; Sheffield; Smith; Smithee; Stephenson; Thompson, E.; Turner, C.; Turner, S.; VanDeaver; Villalba; Vo; Walle; Wu; Zerwas

Present, not voting - Kuempel(C); Mr. Speaker

Absent, Excused - Lucio; Workman

Absent - Crownover; Dukes; Guillen; McClendon

If you live in Texas and your Representative voted YES for Dutton and NO today, you need to write them and ask them why they changed their mind and how they can justify being a hypocritic something-something over that minor change in language.
 
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