Open Carrying a Rifle...

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anyone notice that more than half the pics the guns didn't have a mag in the gun?
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They don't carry hot mags in their rifles nor a hot round in their pistol chambers. I bet if you could check the ones with the mags inserted you would find them to either be dummies or empty. It is also a requirement while you are active IDF to keep your weapon with you even when off duty. When I was over there the UZI was still in vogue for the female IDF and there were quite a few Galils to be seen.
 
But walking around with one's trousers falling down and one's underwear deliberately exposed is "normal".

And walking around with one's face pierced with metal objects is perceived as "normal".

Walking around with clothing emblazoned with patently obscene messages, or blasting music with patently obscene lyrics is "normal".

And many other breaches of what used to be called "taste", "decorum" or "propriety" are now considered "normal".
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Let's be sure to separate "Normal" from "common" or "tolerated"

While the above mentioned actions are relatively common in contemporary society, I would definitely stop short of calling it normal behavior. Obviously demographics are a large part of that, but nonetheless, those things do tend to make people stand out in a less-than-positive manner. Personally, I find such things distasteful and my facial expressions toward so-acting individuals are unmistakable in articulating that. Make it offensive enough, and I'll say or do something about it, like the kid who decided to pull up in front of my shop with his rap music so loud it was shaking the windows; I told him to turn it off, he muttered something offensive and turned it up, so I approached him. Evidently, his gonads were much smaller than his subwoofers, because he couldn't bail fast enough when he realized I was serious. He later called the shop owner and tried to raise a stink but, after getting the story from us employees, junior was told not to come on the real property again lest he be charged with trespassing.

Point being, if you decide to deviate from social norms, you will probably be looked upon disdainfully. Deviate to the point that others find it overtly offensive/obtrusive, and you may find yourself in a confrontation and/or eighty-sixed from a venue.
 
Warp said:
The people living in the high crime/gang rate areas generally aren't the ones passing the laws.
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This might not be true, given the population concentrations of cities and the relative priorities of the usual meddling power interests regarding RKBA.

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Choosing one's battles...

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But walking around with one's trousers falling down and one's underwear deliberately exposed is "normal".

And walking around with one's face pierced with metal objects is perceived as "normal".

Walking around with clothing emblazoned with patently obscene messages, or blasting music with patently obscene lyrics is "normal".

And many other breaches of what used to be called "taste", "decorum" or "propriety" are now considered "normal".
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Let's be sure to separate "Normal" from "common" or "tolerated"

While the above mentioned actions are relatively common in contemporary society, I would definitely stop short of calling it normal behavior. Obviously demographics are a large part of that, but nonetheless, those things do tend to make people stand out in a less-than-positive manner. Personally, I find such things distasteful and my facial expressions toward so-acting individuals are unmistakable in articulating that. Make it offensive enough, and I'll say or do something about it, like the kid who decided to pull up in front of my shop with his rap music so loud it was shaking the windows; I told him to turn it off, he muttered something offensive and turned it up, so I approached him. Evidently, his gonads were much smaller than his subwoofers, because he couldn't bail fast enough when he realized I was serious.
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Never mind the difference between "normal" and "common" or "tolerated"; and I'm sorry to sound argumentative (or preachy), but...

I'm a little concerned that you seem to be ready to "unmistakably articulate" your distaste, and to "do something about it". Were you really ready to mix it up with some jerk for playing his music too loud? And is it reasonable to assume (because you are on this forum) that you were armed at the time?

I think the courts would see that as you escalating an annoyance into physical violence. I have as much distaste as you do, but I strive to keep it to myself (not even expressing it with a look), and I certainly don't concern myself with the size of another fellow's gonads.

I would have (with exaggerated politeness) asked the jerk to turn his music down. But if he refused and uttered an insult, much as I might have wanted to yank him out of his car and break his ribs, I would have said nothing (or "Thank you so very much") and walked back inside.

I'd like to tell some folks off as much as you do, but trying to civilize a barbarian is an exercise in futility, and it will not end well. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing; it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

I save my readiness to engage in a physical confrontation for those who present an imminent physical threat. But it took me almost 40 years to learn that.
 
back on topic, I live in a school zone, and there is another that overlaps close by, so until the school zone rule gets rebuked I tend to stay on my property with an OC firearm, which also means in my car in my state :p
 
i believe that there are some states that prohibit a loaded long arm in a vehicle. It may be wise to check the laws.
 
If there were ever another ground war, "god forbid" , it would be us older guys , who were familiar with firearms that would be forced to carry the burden gladlly.
 
If there were ever another ground war, "god forbid" , it would be us older guys , who were familiar with firearms that would be forced to carry the burden gladlly.
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Funny, I remember all the kids in high school saying almost that exact same thing. Every particular group likes to believe it's gonna be "all up to them" in their fantasies :).

In reality, there's just as many of the younger generation familiar with guns as the older guys. Heck if you eliminated them who would you pick on for bringing the tacticool and "jam-o-matics" to the range? Those guns actually do work you know, and not everybody under 40 is just clowning around.
 
long arms are generally considered offensive, civilians arnt supposed to attack...

but this
but trying to civilize a barbarian is an exercise in futility, and it will not end well. It's like trying to teach a pig to sing; it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.
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is Hilarious and true
 
I'm a little concerned that you seem to be ready to "unmistakably articulate" your distaste, and to "do something about it".
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Why?

Were you really ready to mix it up with some jerk for playing his music too loud?
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No. I was ready to "mix it up" with him for his comments, and to demonstrate that not everyone will turn their blind eye or deaf ear to some punk who disrespects them.

And is it reasonable to assume (because you are on this forum) that you were armed at the time?
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I wasn't

I have as much distaste as you do, but I strive to keep it to myself (not even expressing it with a look), and I certainly don't concern myself with the size of another fellow's gonads.

I would have (with exaggerated politeness) asked the jerk to turn his music down. But if he refused and uttered an insult, much as I might have wanted to yank him out of his car and break his ribs, I would have said nothing (or "Thank you so very much") and walked back inside
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Well, its my opinion that the "mind my own business" attitude is exactly why these things have become such an issue. Rude or obnoxious behavior shouldn't be ignored or tolerated to the extent that most folks do. I personally have no problem telling people when they're out of line.
 
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bought a used rifle from a buddy, had to take it home slung over my shoulder riding a motorcycle. Rode past a trooper writing a ticket to a motorist. He watched me ride by and I expected him to pull me over but it didn't happen
 
I would generally like to agree, but the cynic in me can't help but point out that Israel faces existential threats from every one of its neighbors on pretty much a daily basis. We'd probably be more liberal about allowing people to carry rifles in public, too, if there was a decent chance of a suicide bomber popping off at the local pizzeria or grocery store.
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What about Switzerland? :)
 
^^

In Switzerland, rifle ownership is all but required, but I don't know anything about how common it is to carry it out and about with you..
 
I remember all that clearly. Hell, I was the school principal and keep my rifle in the truck to hunt with after school (even killed a buck with my white shirt and tie on once). I guess we are still lucky in my area. The high school has an NRA funded trap range on school property right behind the high school. I believe the guns are kept in a locked locker in the building.

Now long retired, I often carry a long gun exposed and occassionally loaded on the passenger front seat of my vehicle during hunting season. Pretty darn common around here. Never know when a coyote might decide today is a good day to die. Even in my area, walking around a town with a rifle in hand would seem weird to most unless it was just from a car/truck to inside a close by building.
 
I have carried long guns while walking through my neighborhood growing up out to the woods. This was in a somewhat rural area.
 
I avoid carrying rifles like the plague, heavy things that stop you from working radios, pointing, signaling and they limit your mobility hard.
Anyone ever tried just dragging one of the darned things around all day? In no way practical, I don't care if all you ever do is walk it to the office from the car and back. It's in the way.
 
Agreed - a long gun just gets in the way doing normal day to day activities. Personally, if you REALLY feel the need to carry a long gun daily for SD, you might consider moving to a nicer locale
 
Seems carrying a slung AR-15 through the Walmart check stand would draw way too much unwanted attn----even if you bought the gun there originally.
 
No, but I watched a guy on YouTube carry his AK clone on a sidewalk.

It certainly attracted attention, and the owner's goal apparently was to teach the police that it is legal, or confront them with his better knowledge, or maybe just his interpretation of the law.
 
When I was a kid back in the 1950's and '60's it was not unusual to see someone openly carrying a long gun; but that was in the rural Deep South.
 
I use to borrow my friends shotgun as a teen, the only way to get or return it was to walk or bike sveral blocks. Never had a problem
 
The thing people have to remember about carrying a long gun is that most long guns do not have drop safeties like handguns. Drop one hard enough, some long guns may discharge. You have to be careful not to drop it when one is in the chamber.
 
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