Opinions on the SVT-40?

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Love this thread. That's all I got. ...Just sayin' and posted to subscribe.

No, wait, there's this too. I had one as the first foreign weapon I ever bought but got rid of it as expensive Norma was all I could find to shoot at the time.
 
I have had mine for about a year...it is in my top 5 surplus weapons. It was just not the right rifle for the Soviet army.

On a side note i like the 49/56 quite a bit. Partizan has the ammo..and you are shooting 308 class bullets.
 
Is anyone willing to sell their SVT?

Yeah, if you've got an extra grand or so laying around, there are plenty...

I'm actually suprised by how many are on GB at the moment, half dozen or so last time I checked. At this point, I'm not sure the functionality is matched by the price, since I'm not a collector. I'll have to pass this time ("but a man can dream, though, a man can dream...")

The FN49 (in a common caliber) is the winner for me since it seems to be the best executed of the field, while still having a reasonable price (kinda). But at their price point (1200$:scrutiny:) though, modern platforms are more competitive. I was kinda hoping I'd be able to find a cool/quirky older semi platform (for little scratch) that can hang with today's offerings (like my K31 in bolt-action). Guess I'll just have to start combing through pawnshops and estate sales for that "killer deal" now that I know what's out there. Or buy a CMP Garand like everyone else;)

Thanks a ton for the photo lineup, 56Hawk, very helpful to see these laid out like that. They ought to "sticky" that for any future "Which Semi-Auto Battle Rifle?" threads. I had no idea the VZ52 was that short, I figured they were overbuilt tanks, but I was thinking they were as long as a Mosin. Your photo again confirms the SVT is the shapliest of the bunch:D

TCB
 
The FN49 (in a common caliber) is the winner for me since it seems to be the best executed of the field, while still having a reasonable price (kinda). But at their price point (1200$ :scrutiny:) though, modern platforms are more competitive.

I got my FN49 for $700. Most of the other rifles I pictured were in the $500-$800 range. All of the guns except for the Rasheed I found at local gun shows. You just have to wait and see what shows up.

And thanks for liking my picture. It's fun to show off the collection. :D
 
When it rains, it pours...

The LGS has a SVT 1941 for 900$, and I got the chance to check it out today...Problem is, I just shelled out 600$ on a (hopefully) killer deal on a 30-06 FN49 Lux. Dare I even consider...:uhoh:

Before I get to that, my hands-on experience in the shop:
I was suprised how light & handy the thing was, it's like a M1 carbine compared to the Mosins :D. However, I'll bet it kicks like a mule:(. I was also impressed with the machining, the bolt face and action felt much more refined than I was expecting. The wood seemed comparable to most of the Russian Mosins that were in the store (asking 300$ for them, BTW :rolleyes:), but didn't look as banged up (no cracks), and had a nice smooth laqcuer on everything. I didn't see any rust or obvious pitting (I couldn't take it apart to check out the barrel), just machine marks. There was some wear around a screw/knob with plier flats set into the stock on the right side (gas adjustment?). Bluing was in "old service gun" condition (gone on the highspots, heat shield was still blued).

Overall, I was impressed. I didn't know Russia made arms of that quality at that time. I looked around for interesting markings on the gun; no import stamp :), and a circle with what looked kinda like a "A" or Cyrillic backward "R" on the right side of the reciever. This rifle did have the magazine, and appeared to hand cycle properly. I like how the trigger is locked out until the last micron of bolt travel, at first I thought the mech was broken, but I just hadn't let it slam home. I couldn't tell visually that the rifle was out of battery :). I was suprised by how light the trigger was; a really creepy (kinda like a two stage with a really mushy transition) and fairly long draw, but under 5lbs, it felt like. The safety was very crude, but seemed to work. The gun looks awesome from about five feet away, but the "rough Russian" qualities ugly it up a bit up close. For instance, the cool metal barrel shroud at the front was fairly loose (no worse than Mannlicher (sp?) stock foregrip wood, though), and the bolt handle was kinda cruddy. It either wasn't knurled, or the knurling had worn off, and had many machine marks.

Now here's the hard part: As the date of my OP on this forum indicates, I have been pining for one of these for a while. I even asked around for similar rifles to fill the main-battle-rifle niche. And finally, just when I commit to a great deal on the closest competitor to the SVT (the FN49), it has the audacity to just "show up" right in front of me:cuss:. Before the FN49 even arrives:mad:. Ridiculous.:fire:

Phony anger aside, if this is actually a great deal on the rifle, I'd be a fool to pass it up, even if the purchase would cause me to exceed the 'ol coin jar budget for a bit.:evil: I've done business with this shop before (picking up the FN49 from them, too), so I believe I can talk them down a tad. Is 900$ for what appears to be a decent-to-good quality (I'm not qualified to rate it) SVT-40 worth the trouble of obeying the speed limit and cooking my own meals for a month?:D

Also, if any of ya'll can provide any insight on how you think this rifle seems to compare to others you have experience with, I'd be most appreciative.

TCB

PS: I swear, it's like fate keeps tempting me away from the VZ-58...
 
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It's a decent rifle, fairly accurate but no tack driver. Good and reliable once the gas is properly adjusted. Does need some special attention when cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo. It's just simple enough to take the whole action(less wood) into the shower (REALLY) and just wash it all down with HOT water. Once you are done...spray it with WD40 then clean as needed.


Any SERIOUS WW2 collector WILL have one.
 
Any SERIOUS WW2 collector WILL have one.

Dang, I just wanted to buy it for a fun range blaster :eek:, since I already have a tack-driver in my .308 FNAR, but I have heard that the SVT has pretty good accuracy with decent ammo. I take care of my guns, but I intend to shoot this rifle if I buy it, with collectibility/history only a distant consideration (and no, I wouldn't Bubba-stardize it...:rolleyes:). I would probably attempt to shoot non-corrosive, if such ammo exists yet. I don't think SVT's are quite to the point of collectibility that they must be safe queens (like lots of those fancy Pythons :neener:), so I shouldn't feel bad about wanting to use the thing for now, right?:eek::scrutiny:

TCB
 
Plenty of non-corrosive exists, just expect to pay at least .40 a round instead of the sub .25 you are used to with corrosive. With an svt-40 you want to use 147gr ammunition to avoid cracking the stock. I love my svt-40, and unless we start getting russian imports again they are only going to go up in value. That being said I would not have an SVT if I did not get it for the steal it was.
 
I own a SVT, FN49 Hakim, Rasheed, and a VZ52. SVT is hands down my favorite, light with low recoil (that break does wonders) followed closely by the 49 ZERO recoil due to the weight.
 
Thanks for the timely replies ya'll!

AK47TIM:
Yeah, I've checked out the VEPR's before. I think it's the most attractive package I've seen AK's in, but it just didn't speak to me (just like all AK's and AR's). Call me contrarian, but I kinda like the less common, but equally functional solutions out there. That's why I own two K31's, a CZ52, and now, an FN49 instead of K98's, a Tokarev, and a Garand. Although, if the VEPR's are competitive weight-wise, I may have to reconsider...

Dark Zero:
I've heard that sentiment a number of times, actually; "SVT is my fav, closely followed by the FN49," but only from people who owned/shot both. Otherwise, it was "FN49 is awesome, but I've not shot an SVT." :) My favorite I've seen on some forums is "I dunno about those other guns, but Garands are better":banghead:. Very cool to hear that break takes some of the heat out of the kick, I've been scared to buy a Mosin for that reason (my K31 kicks hard enough :eek:). I forgot to note whether or not the rifle I saw had the full-auto or semi-auto break on it, though it did have a "A" stamped on the reciever.

Firesky:
You got yours for a steal you say, what would you say a "steal" nowadays is? I've seen many going for just north of 1000$ online, so this seems like a good bargain (also no shipping/FFL fees). Like I said, I'm not afraid to buy if it is likely to be a good deal; I can always sell to one of you guys and recoup/make the money back if I don't care for the rifle. :D

I just didn't expect to hit a good deal so soon after my FN49, which I got for around half what I've been seeing them go for online. (Man, I really hope that rifle's not messed up or something when it gets here...:uhoh:;))

TCB
 
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+1 on the MAS 49/56

reloadable and non-corrosive ammo is out there and not that expensive. She might be ugly, but she'll never let you down.
 
Anything south of $800 w/magazine is a good deal. Saw three at the last gun show for $600-$700 w/o magazines. I did not pay even that last Nov. but it was a steal. $900 is a fair price, I see people asking north of $1000 routinely.
 
I got mine for a song about 10 years ago. It was light and didn't recoil much, but mine was not accurate. I sold it a year or two ago for more than I paid for it, so I'm not unhappy about the experience. That old rifle may have even solved a mystery, although I'm not entirely convinced of this.

Oh, yeah...the disassembly and reassembly. Some say that it's not a problem. It's significantly more complicated than any machine gun that I ever dealt with and is (presumably - I'm not convinced) somewhat less complicated than a space shuttle is. I'd argue that it featured far too many steps and parts for a military rifle, then or now, but the civilian shooter can cope. The Russians largely hated them. The Germans largely loved them. Make of that what you will.

I don't miss mine, but I miss the concept, if that makes sense.
 
theyre a cool gun it depends what youre into. having a muzzle blast that will knock your friends hat off if he stands at the right angle beside you= AWESOME. these things create a shockwave and I love it when my brother brings it out to the range because I havent seen another gun that makes this happen.

As far as reliability concerns that you hear about(largely from uneducated Russian operators and uneducated civilian operators)- the gas system is adjustable and will give you cycling problems if not properly set to the ammo youre shooting. We have his dialled in to deal with surplus stuff and its fine.

Surplus 54R can be found fairly cheaply in Canada dont know about you guys, we pay alot less for the rifles too I think.

Did I mention we unboxed his at the range and proceeded to smash clays at 100 yds?


But srsly- the shockwave
 
Barnbwt:
I would love to have one for my collection. An SVT-40 would do well with the AG 42B and FN49 Would love to see the three in a side by side comparison. About 20 yrs. ago, I had the chance to get an SVT for $350. At the time, I was a student and that was a lot. Still kicking myself for not taking the plunge.:cuss:
Anyway, have fun and enjoy
 
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SVT-40 Inspection Notes/Buyer's Guide:

Well, I got a chance to take a closer look at the SVT in the shop today, this time armed with a lot of information. I was looking for a couple things, here's my quickie buyer's guide:

Exterior:
-Matching Serial Numbers: No numbers matched, but was acceptable since "SA" stamps on the mag and reciever indicated Finn capture and re-arsenal. This is a 1941 rifle. All numbers were stamped, none penciled, which I believe indicates the rifle was either 1)not made under as much pressure as later guns, and 2)parts were not replaced by the typical arsenal process that would re-match everything (likely since the Finn's did the rearsenalling).
-Maker's Stamp: An assortment of parts, Ivhesk and Tula; Reciever group was Ivesk, magazine looked to be Tula. There are no visible import marks.
-Stock Condition: Stock was refinished, evidenced by no stamps, serials, cartouches, except 1 "daisy" looking mark. Fairly blonde color, heavily laqcuered, with few (but deep) dings, and a long repaired crack in the upper handguard. The sling mount was the more common stud at the bottom of the stock. No cracks at the grip/wrist area. Stock had only one cutout for the safety, indicating it is an original "SVT" stock, as opposed to the later/beefier "AVT" stock. other than the foregrip crack, there were no other repairs visible.
-Blueing Condition: All exterior metal was still blue, except on corners. The bolt looked yellow-green, which I believe meant it was white-metal with laqcuer on top of it. The bolt knob itself was blue/brown, probably due to natural usage wear/corrosion. The reciever has scope mounts milled, but they are unused, by lack of mounting notch. This indicates this rifle was not a late 1941, since I believe the scope mounts were left off at that point.

I looked up how to break one of these down earlier today, so I took a crack at field stripping the SVT in the store. Taking it apart was far easier than reassembling it, at least as far as getting the spring cover back on was concerned (ten minutes it took me :mad:), but overall not as bad expected.

Interior:
-Bolt/Carrier: All the bolt/reciever/cover parts looked good; nothing rusted, bent, or missing. They were all a bit loose, though this may be intentional (likely). I would guess the recoil spring is a bit played out, mainly due to its age. It felt weaker than any recoil spring I've come across, pistol or otherwise. There were a few obvious shiny spots at contact areas.
-Barrel/reciever: The lever-thing at the back of the reciever was pretty stuck (didn't want to tear up my thumb picking at it), so I had to examine the rifling from the muzzle :eek:. Needless to say, I don't envy the soldiers who had the same opportunity back in the day... Anyway, the bore was pretty dark (common), with light frosting that could have been dust or dirt. I couldn't run a patch or slug down the barrel. Rifling was still very obvious, but I couldn't tell how sharp it was. Sounds like a run of the mill SVT barrel. Acceptable, nothing special. The crown looked decent, I think it'd be hard to damage one with the giant six-slot (earlier) brake on the end of the thing. I couldn't check headspace or verify it wasn't rechambered to something stupid.
-Gas System: This gun still has the cleaning rod (bent, but a +50$ value), which once removed, allowed me to take off the cool stamped steel heat guards that cover the gas system. The ring that holds the hand guards together was very loose, especially since I've heard some folks have to pry them off. This means the top handguard rattles quite a bit. Probably doesn't affect operation, though. The piston, a simple forward facing cup that is blasted by the gas tube, was easy to move against its return spring, with no hitching or obvious grinding felt. Sounds like the operating rod isn't bent :). When pulled all the way to the rear, I saw that the gas tube and cup, while coated with a thick layer of black soot, were not rusted, and looked dirty more than pitted. As seen by the amount of soot on my hands after this inspection, I couldn't really judge what shape these delicate/vulnerable parts were in without a thorough cleaning. I am fairly sure they are functional, since the barrel is in decent shape, and the action still cycles smoothly.

Summary: I decided to pass on the rifle since the asking price of 900$ is out of my league, especially since I just dropped a chunk on a FN49. The dealer was completely unwilling to bring the price down any, which is his right, but still kept the rifle about 100$ above my "buy" threshold. If I had reason to believe this rifle was worth 1500$ or something, I'd go for it, but that is simply not the case; it's a Finnish capture refurb in decent condition, and 900$ is a fair price for it. Maybe if it's still there in a month or so *tear* I'll feel more like paying the price. I do have more respect for the LGS, though; they know how to set fair prices, and find cool stuff to stock (until I let the cat out of the bag recently, they had six K31's collecting dust). At least now I feel informed enough to buy sight-unseen online, if I find a better deal elsewhere. I thought I had moved on from this rifle when I decided to buy the FN49, but I now realize I want an SVT more than ever (and the FN49 :D)

'Till then I'll be a-wishin'...Oh well, I'll get to know the Belgian in the meantime:)
TCB
 
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