Opinions on using 5.56mm M-855 green tip for home defense?

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Reasonable idea, or dumb idea? Can anyone actually prove that I'm endangering neighbors simply by using 7 grains of steel? (55 gr m193 vs. 62 grain m855)

My thoughts on it being reasonable:

-I don't plan on missing much, and I train with this ammo, and I know it's accurate in my gun.
-Again, will 7 grains of steel make such a huge over-penetration difference?
-At HD ranges, which are probably no more than 20 yards, even out of a 14.5" barrel, the bullet should still be going around 2900fps. This is usually more than sufficient velocity for reliable fragmentation.
-Anything else you guys can think of?

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You might not plan on missing, but it still happens....

If you're going to stick with FMJ, I'd go with Federal XM193C or if you can find some nice old Winchester Q3131A, great stuff.
 
.....Can anyone actually prove that I'm endangering neighbors......

Can you prove you didn't know better if a stray round hits a neighbor? Will you hesitate to fire because you know it can zip right through a few walls and hit who knows what? I was just looking at buying some frangible 5.56 from ammoman because I want to minimize any potential liability.
 

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Considering this stuff can go 500m and still put holes in rather thick plastic, make metal go "dong" and furthermore, kill, I personally think it's a bit over powered for HD unless your walls are insulated with sandbags.
 
I have nearly 1K of M855 stashed. That said the grab right now ammo for my M-4 in Home Defense has a 20 round mag loaded with Winchester SilverTip. It is the same round my local PD SWAT uses. After two mags of that is used I figure its a major riot so I use 30 round magpuls with M-855.
However I got 200 rounds of issue M262 and I may go to that.
 
The handgun is used to get to the shotgun to clear the house, and then the AR to clear the yard, and the .308 to clear the neighborhood. Get a S/G for less collateral damage. I'd use hand rolled hollow points for the AR. Go to the Box O Truth, and look at car door testing.
 
Still, assuming I don't miss, the odds of it going through the BG at close range, and on 500m through two houses...I'm not sure.

If I do miss, it's just as bad as if I missed with a 9mm, .40, etc IMHO. Besides, it seems to me logically that even at much higher velocity, 62 grains of lead is going to be disrupted much more easily by walls, plants, whatever,etc than a solid, stable 124 grain or 165 grain projectile at lower velocity.

Or maybe I should use a 62 grain hollow point?
 
m855 will continue through a BG at *close* (within 25 M) range, and most likely also continue through at least one standard wall made of 2x4s with insulation and the such inside. The stuff ain't no joke.
 
I don't plan on missing much, and I train with this ammo, and I know it's accurate in my gun.

I don't suppose anyone plans on missing in combat. They just do so upwards of 90% of the time.

Even at close ranges such as inside your home, you should take into account what is going to happen with the rounds you sling off target, since in a life-and-death situation the better question is not "did you miss?" but "how many times did you miss?"

-Again, will 7 grains of steel make such a huge over-penetration difference?

Not a huge deal. Any military ammunition for a 5.56mm rifle is going to tend to be an overpenetration danger unless you live a long way from neighbors or have a house that is much more solidly constructed than most American buildings.

-At HD ranges, which are probably no more than 20 yards, even out of a 14.5" barrel, the bullet should still be going around 2900fps. This is usually more than sufficient velocity for reliable fragmentation.

The importance of fragmentation is grossly overblown on the internet. If you can put rounds into the torso it's a fight stopper, regardless of whether you do so at some magic velocity.

-Anything else you guys can think of?

Much as I like the AR and M4 and whatnot, for home defense buy a shotgun if you have any concerns about neighbors or anything else on the other side of your hypothetical bad guy.
 
I'd say unless you live in the middle of nowhere miles from another house. Its a very bad idea.
 
My biggest question would be why? M855 has some of the worst terminal performance, why artificially handicap yourself?
 
Just look at your probable lanes of fire, assume you *will* miss, because there is an extremely high probability, statistically, that you will, and then look at the building materials between your gun and the neighbors. Evaluate based on that.

A separate question is whether it is a good idea to use *any* AR15 for "bump in the night" defense. I don't know about yours, but my AR carbines emit a blast and flash that would not just reduce, but completely eliminate my hearing and vision if fired in an enclosed dark space with my eyes adjusted. Personally I wouldn't want to use one unless it was a last resort, or it was suppressed. Both a pistol and shotgun would have a less peircing report, and (ammo dependent of course) probably a lot less flash than an AR15.
 
These are great well thought out replies and I see the consensus as a Hollow Point. I actually do have RAP and Fed soft point, but on Marshalls site he lists the Win Silvertip as a top load and that is what our SWAT team used.
 
This is from the ammo-oracle:
Q. Isn't 5.56 too dangerous to use indoors? Shouldn't I use a pistol or shotgun instead?

Virtually any kind of ammo, with the exception of light bird shot, will easily penetrate typical wall construction (two layers of wall-board separated by 3 to 4 inches of space). Testing has shown, however, that after penetrating a typical interior wall, a 5.56mm projectile will have less wounding potential than most common handgun or buckshot loads. This is true because the low mass of the bullet sheds velocity quickly, and velocity is its key wounding component. This doesn't mean that 5.56mm ammo isn't still potentially deadly, but that the severity of an injury is likely to be less from a 5.56mm bullet than from a 9mm, .40, .45, or #00 buckshot round. What is important is not the degree to which these rounds penetrate, but their "ex post lethality" or their lethality AFTER encountering wallboard or other cover/concealment.

The difference is so significant that the FBI and other ballistic experts recommend that law enforcement transition to handguns to "dig suspects out" of cover because of the superior penetration and wounding ability of handgun rounds over 5.56 or .223.

This, along with the increasing number of lawsuits from "friendly fire" submachine gun victims and 5.56mm's ability to penetrate ballistic vests, are some of the reasons that many SWAT teams are transitioning away from the 9mm MP5 and selecting 5.56mm carbines instead.

This is understandable given the longer barrel length and therefore higher velocity and consequently higher penetration of handgun rounds in submachine guns.

If our experience on the forums are accurate, most shot gunners and submachine gun fans receive this news poorly. It does seem counterintuitive since 5.56mm is a "high powered round." All we can say to this is that the FBI FTU fired hundreds of rounds through carefully constructed wall sections and then into gel. Ignore these results at your own peril.

Fact: Interestingly enough, in FBI Firearms Training Unit tests show that submachinegun and handgun rounds penetrated more on average than .223/5.56mm rounds in typical interior construction and tissue.
Opinion: Generally high velocity rifle rounds fragment so readily that over-penetration in an urban (indoor) setting is LESS dangerous than with handgun or submachinegun rounds like 9mm, 10mm, .40S&W, etc. 5.56 FMJ rounds will do more penetrating than JHP and JSP rounds but still are generally safer for interior use- insofar as bystanders are concerned.

Q. Won't JSP and JHP rounds be safer indoors? Don't I have to worry about FMJ rounds going through walls and hurting my family or others?

You always have to worry about it, of course, but even FMJ 5.56 rounds will have less wound potential after penetrating a wall than even 9mm handgun rounds. Generally after passing through an interior wall or two, 5.56 bullets will have lost enough velocity that resulting wound damage would be greatly diminished. It should be noted, however, that all of the above bullets are still potentially deadly to those on the other side of a wall, so plan accordingly. Interior walls are concealment, NOT cover.

Fact: Evidence increasingly shows that 5.56 FMJ rounds like M193 and M855 are not the over-penetration risk they have often been though of as. In interior wall tests, 5.56 rounds have less wounding potential after wall strikes than any common 9mm or above handgun ammunition and/or 00 Buck shotgun loads.

Keep in mind, however, that 5.56 sometimes will go off in a random direction after penetrating walls so even if you think it's a clear line of fire the bullet may be travelling on a different course after punching through something.

Also, the Box O Truth has tested various rounds and platforms on walls: Box O Truth
 
It's probably a better idea than most varmint bullets, especially varmint bullets of 50 gr or less. You at least know the M855 stuff is likely to penetrate far enough to reach the vitals. I'd still rather have a 77 gr M262 Mod 1 load, or barring a 1:7 twist, a 69 gr OTM load.
 
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