Opinions?

[Gus_McCrae]

These are the 2 purchases
Revolation (mossberg 500) 12 GA.
Savage 30 12 GA.
I'm happy with both and Wannamakers was amazing!

 

[toivo]

The only edge of the 870 vs the mossberg 500 is the action bars are dual vs single.

Mossberg 500s have had dual action bars since Remington's patent on that design ran out in the late '70s or early '80s. Some still like the 870 better because of the all-steel receiver compared to the aluminum receiver of the Mossberg. Mixed blessing -- the 870 handles recoil better, but it's heftier to haul around.

 

[horsemen61]

@Gus_McCrae Great Looking scatterguns!

 

[Sgt_Mike1]

Mossberg 500s have had dual action bars since Remington's patent on that design ran out in the late '70s or early '80s. Some still like the 870 better because of the all-steel receiver compared to the aluminum receiver of the Mossberg. Mixed blessing -- the 870 handles recoil better, but it's heftier to haul around.

Yes you are correct Mossberg did later add the Dual action bars after the Remington Patent expired. Reality is you will find the 500 in both configuration single and dual, the Remington is only dual. Never said that the single bar was weak although some might feel that way . Even though Remington held it over Mossberg and winchester throughout the years. the dual vs single argument is a marketing ploy to infer that the 870 was stronger. The 500 is a fine shotgun, so is the 870, as well as the Winchester 12. but in my opinion the 870 fits the bill not for any hype, a added plus the 870 at one time held the greatest support in aftermarket parts and modification. which may not be the same anymore.

I'm so happy we agree......

@Gus_McCrae Nice ,,, yep looks like the Mossberg version. Now your making me envious and I'm not a shotgun person. LOL only have three. Now Rifles and pistols OMG Looks like a great find for you

 

[rust collector]

I always liked the look of the Savage model 30. By most accounts, its successor, the model 67, was not nearly the gun that the 30 series was.

 

[Showman]

@Gus_McCrae Great Looking scatterguns!

I heartily agree. The 500 with that plain barrel and wood stock has such a classy, simple, businesslike look...kind of like the type shotgun a 50s hunter with a round car or truck would have owned. The ventilated rib on the Savage 30 looks nice, as does the engraving on the receiver, something the factories used to do but no longer bother with. Enjoy both, they should serve you well for years if properly cared for.

 

[Showman]

I always liked the look of the Savage model 30. By most accounts, its successor, the model 67, was not nearly the gun that the 30 series was.

Don't know that much about the Savage 30. My cousin once had one and didn't seem to have any complaints with it.
I've had a couple of Springfield Model 67s over the years. The tang safety was a little crude-feeling and sticky, at least to me, but being metal to start with, it was certainly rugged. The pump stroke on those guns was never really to my liking, but hey, they went bang every time I fired a shell in them and they cycled just fine. Firing 3 inch shells through a 67 sure got your attention- no recoil pad. I bagged my very first deer with a 67, though. Nice memory.

 

[Showman]

These are the 2 purchases
Revolation (mossberg 500) 12 GA.
Savage 30 12 GA.
I'm happy with both and Wannamakers was amazing!View attachment 1144251 View attachment 1144253 View attachment 1144254 View attachment 1144255 View attachment 1144256

Just my opinion, but the gun at the bottom is something like what the successor to the Winchester Model 12 should have looked like. Trouble was, however, that the 500 had already been on the market 4 years before Winchester stopped producing M12s.

 

[Steve in NC]

I spent the last year firing and patterning many different buckshot and slug loads out of an 870. I patterned anyway from 15 yds out to 50yds with buckshot. And fired slugs out to close to 100yds.

bottom line when comparing a 12 to 20 for SD/HD is this:

20ga can/should use tighter chokes to get better buckshot patterns due to shooting smaller buckshot. A mod choke and I can keep those smaller BS #3 into a tight pattern reliably out to 40 yds and keep all pellets in a man sized chest. Further and you start loosing pellets.
Velocities of buckshot loads are directly comparable with 12 ga when using std LE buckshot loads which are normally reduced recoil. Buckshot loaded for deer hunting is not as fast as 12ga.

20ga Slugs: they get real unpredictable out of any tighter choke than IC. With the mod choke shooting great BS patterns slug impact start going crazy.
Put the cylinder bore or IC choke tube in and I can hit man sized chest at 90 yds with the better grouping slug loads. But now my BS patterns suck and it’s hard to keep all pellets in a man chest much past 20 yds.

a 12ga with the superior Federal flight control wad with 9 pellets of 00 BS out of any choke is devestating. And now you have the ability to switch to slugs and hit out to 100 yds with no change in your choke. That is the advantage of the 12ga. It’s the better SD ammo that gives it the advantage IMO.

but if your good with staying with 100% BS the 20ga will pattern that smaller BS into a tight pattern out to 40 yds. You just don’t have a god option to swap to slugs is all.

that was my research.

and I vote for the 870. But a Mav 88 for under $275 brand new. Best Bang for the buck and reliable. That is hard to beat.

have a good day,
Steve

 

[PapaG]

870, 500, 590. If you are betting your life on it, the cheapest Turkish gun is not your wisest choice.