Can anybody speak to the quality of the Beretta 92's trigger? I hear people say that the single action trigger stacks, and that the double action pull is very long and heavy and will throw your first shot off (is it any longer and heavier than a DA revolver?). I am thinking of picking an Italian FS model up, but I've never had a SA/DA auto before, and I wouldn't want a pistol that would make it hard to learn the system. Thoughts?
Opinons on the Beretta 92FS Trigger
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The DA is among the best around with the D spring installed. SA is excellent as well. Lots of pre-travel but very good overall. The P226 has a better SA trigger but the 92FS has among the best DA triggers. (with the factory D spring installed).
How does a single action trigger stack?
How does a single action trigger stack?
Radagast
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I've had several, no longer own one. The 92D mainspring will reduce double action to a manageable level, otherwise its greater than 16 pounds. Single action is around 5 pounds. The trigger has overtravel when it breaks and pre travel in single action mode. Basically its a sloppy military trigger with a very heavy double action pull.
Reliability is very good, accuracy is acceptable with jacketed ammo, bore was oversize and coated lead loads tended to tumble.
Cool factor is high. So borrow one and get it out of your system.
Reliability is very good, accuracy is acceptable with jacketed ammo, bore was oversize and coated lead loads tended to tumble.
Cool factor is high. So borrow one and get it out of your system.
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I wouldn't characterize the DA pull to be long and heavy; certainly no different than a DA revolver. If you're used to shooting a DA revolver, you won't have any problems. I installed a lighter hammer spring in my M9(92FS) and smoothed the action to get it better for NRA bullseye use and actually thought the SA pull was close to my 1911's in feel. The DA pull is long but smooth; SA is still long by 1911 standards but very smooth and lighter.
The biggest issue for me was getting used to the difference when that first shot was DA and then to SA. I never really got used to it and went back to a 1911 solely.
Pretty great DA/SA trigger with a D spring installed. It's a big gun, but mechanically very accurate, super reliable and has very manageable recoil for fast shooting. I use one for IDPA in preference to a lot of other guns I've owned. Mags are dirt cheap.
It gets even better if the trigger components are disassembled and polished.
For DA/SA, the only common gun that I think is likely "better" trigger wise would be the P99.
It gets even better if the trigger components are disassembled and polished.
For DA/SA, the only common gun that I think is likely "better" trigger wise would be the P99.
WestKentucky
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Decent at best for a factory trigger. Pretty sloppy, a bit heavy, and not super consistent from one specimen to the next. There are upgrades to make it better, but the best thing you could do in a 92 is skip the beretta and go slumming with a Taurus PT92, or better yet a pt99 with adjustable sights. Gun is half price compared to beretta, has all the good qualities, and even a few more like better safety location and a much much better trigger. Smoother and a lot less sloppy, a little bit lighter feel but probably feels lighter because it's so much smoother.
I own staple guns that have better triggers than any Beretta 92 I have ever fired. I am also not a fan of any design that places the trigger linkage OUTSIDE of the frame. Did you know it is possible to fire a Beretta 92 without ever touching the trigger itself? There are many MUCH better designs available.
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When I was looking for a high capacity 9mm. with a DA/SA trigger I narrowed my choices down to the Beretta Model 92 and the SIG P226. Checked out quite a few of them and to me the P226 always felt like it had the better DA/SA trigger.
If you have a hankering for a Beretta Model 92 type pistol and you want to save yourself some money (around $140 to $150), you might want to consider a stainless Taurus PT92 instead.
One thing I liked about the Taurus PT92 is the three position frame mounted safety which allows you the ability to use it as a decocker (for DA first shot), safety off for DA operation, or safety on for SA or DA operation. I found it much easier to use than the slide mounted safety's location on the Beretta Model 92, plus with the PT92 you have the option of carrying it in Condition 1 (safety on, round chambered, hammer cocked, ready to fire with SA trigger pull).
When I was looking for a high capacity 9mm. with a DA/SA trigger I narrowed my choices down to the Beretta Model 92 and the SIG P226. Checked out quite a few of them and to me the P226 always felt like it had the better DA/SA trigger.
If you have a hankering for a Beretta Model 92 type pistol and you want to save yourself some money (around $140 to $150), you might want to consider a stainless Taurus PT92 instead.
One thing I liked about the Taurus PT92 is the three position frame mounted safety which allows you the ability to use it as a decocker (for DA first shot), safety off for DA operation, or safety on for SA or DA operation. I found it much easier to use than the slide mounted safety's location on the Beretta Model 92, plus with the PT92 you have the option of carrying it in Condition 1 (safety on, round chambered, hammer cocked, ready to fire with SA trigger pull).
I have a very nice Taurus PT92 from the late '80s. I would find an old blued one rather than one of the current production. The quality was much better 20 years ago.
However, you can easily buy a new 92FS for $500 - what are new Taurus PT92s going for?
However, you can easily buy a new 92FS for $500 - what are new Taurus PT92s going for?
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Currently Beretta Model 92s are available from Bud's Gun Shop for between $540 to $560. Most everyone else seems to be out of stock on the PT92; least expensive one on Gunbroker is $410 (Buy Now Price), for a blued model with rail or $419 for a stainless model.
Currently Beretta Model 92s are available from Bud's Gun Shop for between $540 to $560. Most everyone else seems to be out of stock on the PT92; least expensive one on Gunbroker is $410 (Buy Now Price), for a blued model with rail or $419 for a stainless model.
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I don't know what Beretta 92FS and Taurus PT92 you had, but the opposite is true.
I owned both a PT92AFS and a 92FS INOX. The INOX is such a better gun, the Taurus was nowhere near as nice in fit and finish as the Beretta. The trigger on my Beretta is better than the PT92 as well. The Taurus has a better safety/decocker, but that's about it. I sold the Taurus and still have the Beretta.
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I have a Taurus as well. The trigger on the FS is MUCH better. Maybe I just got a good example.
WestKentucky
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I have sold 2 berettas and 2 Taurus. I once had the Taurus and beretta at the same time. Side by side the beretta looked better and had better factory grips. Beyond that it was Taurus all the way. Accuracy was similar but slight advantage to Taurus, action was indistinguishable from one to the other, but the trigger was much better on the Taurus. It's my bedside gun and it quite often rides in a shoulder rig when I'm hunting.
The other Taurus I had I sold/traded in a fit of stupidity. It was an older Taurus and had a lot of use on it. I did replace the barrel and locking blocks on it with beretta parts. Change in accuracy was noticeably better on that gun with the beretta barrel. Wish I had kept that one, my current one is not as nice but it is better than both berettas I have had.
hemiram
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I've had 2 Beretta 92's, an Italian 92S and a US 92 FS. The DA trigger was smooth and wasn't heavy at all on both compared to other DA pistols I've owned. I really like the 92, and I would still have one, but I needed cash, so off it went. It's on my list of future guns, again.
Doc Samson
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I've had my 92 FS since the wonderful Clinton years and, while I do not care for some of the ergonomics, I love the trigger. The stock DA is heavy but smooth and replacing the D spring is an easy and worthwhile upgrade. It is still the most accurate pistol I have owned other than my Ruger 22/45...
I loved my M9. DA is long and smooth, much shorter than LC9. In the interest of preventing accidental first shots it's probably a good thing. SA has some take up but break is crisp as can be.
My son "stole" it when he went to college so I haven't shot it in years... his first handgun purchase was a G29 which he rates the trigger as pretty bad or total crap. Next he got a PPQ, which is often considered to have the best striker/polymer trigger ever. He still prefers the M9 SA trigger.
My son "stole" it when he went to college so I haven't shot it in years... his first handgun purchase was a G29 which he rates the trigger as pretty bad or total crap. Next he got a PPQ, which is often considered to have the best striker/polymer trigger ever. He still prefers the M9 SA trigger.
I have had a US manufactured Beretta 92FS for quite a few years. I own a few other Berettas and a Stoeger Beretta Cougar clone. The Stoeger Cougar is an F model (DA/SA with a decocker/safety like the 92FS), one Beretta mini-Cougar is Italian made and also an F model (DA/SA), and another Beretta mini-Cougar is a US made D model (DAO).
I would say that the trigger action on the 92FS and the F model series 8000s (Cougars) is very similar. The trigger pull on the DAO Cougar is a bit smoother than the DA pull on the F models. I have put "D springs" or lighter mainsprings in all of my DA/SA Berettas and the Stoeger.
I would agree that the DA/SA trigger on SIG-Sauer classic P-series pistols such as the 226 and the 229 is better than that of the Beretta with a somewhat smoother stock DA pull and less take-up on the SA trigger even with the stock P series sear. With the SIG short reset sear, the take-up in the SIG SA trigger is ridiculously shorter than that of the Beretta SA trigger. The long take up in the Beretta SA trigger is not likely to bother you if you are in the habit of "riding the reset".
I have shot the occasional Taurus PT92 but never owned one. The trigger action on the ones I have shot struck me as neither better nor worse than that of the Beretta.
The Beretta 92FS is definitely over-sprung with regard to the mainspring. The stock mainspring is rated at 20lbs which typically puts the DA trigger pull weight at over 11 lbs. It is quite easy to swap mainsprings, especially on US made Beretta 92FS pistols and is literally a 5 minute or less job once you know how to do it. You can certainly safely reduce the mainspring power to that of the so-called "D spring" which is the stock hammer spring that Beretta puts in the 92D (DAO) model. The D spring is rated at 16 lbs. Wolff gunsprings sells reduced power mainsprings for the 92 series rated at 13,16,17,18, and 19 lbs. Wilson Combat sells reduced power 92 mainsprings rated at 12, 13, 14, and 16 lbs. If you are planning to use the pistol as a range gun, you can experiment with progressively lighter springs until you get the DA trigger pull weight you like, or until you experience light primer strikes. In my experience, light primer strikes with 16 lb or higher springs are virtually unheard of.
If you are accustomed to shooting double action revolvers so far as DA trigger pull weight and length are concerned, I doubt you would have any trouble with the Beretta 92FS even with the stock mainspring so long as you can reach the trigger in DA mode. I would certainly at least handle and dry fire a Beretta 92FS before buying one. The grip of the Beretta 92 is pretty chunky. If you are used to using the "power crease" of the first joint of your trigger finger on the trigger for double action shooting, the reach to the DA trigger of the Beretta could be a stretch unless you have at least average-sized hands.
I would say that the trigger action on the 92FS and the F model series 8000s (Cougars) is very similar. The trigger pull on the DAO Cougar is a bit smoother than the DA pull on the F models. I have put "D springs" or lighter mainsprings in all of my DA/SA Berettas and the Stoeger.
I would agree that the DA/SA trigger on SIG-Sauer classic P-series pistols such as the 226 and the 229 is better than that of the Beretta with a somewhat smoother stock DA pull and less take-up on the SA trigger even with the stock P series sear. With the SIG short reset sear, the take-up in the SIG SA trigger is ridiculously shorter than that of the Beretta SA trigger. The long take up in the Beretta SA trigger is not likely to bother you if you are in the habit of "riding the reset".
I have shot the occasional Taurus PT92 but never owned one. The trigger action on the ones I have shot struck me as neither better nor worse than that of the Beretta.
The Beretta 92FS is definitely over-sprung with regard to the mainspring. The stock mainspring is rated at 20lbs which typically puts the DA trigger pull weight at over 11 lbs. It is quite easy to swap mainsprings, especially on US made Beretta 92FS pistols and is literally a 5 minute or less job once you know how to do it. You can certainly safely reduce the mainspring power to that of the so-called "D spring" which is the stock hammer spring that Beretta puts in the 92D (DAO) model. The D spring is rated at 16 lbs. Wolff gunsprings sells reduced power mainsprings for the 92 series rated at 13,16,17,18, and 19 lbs. Wilson Combat sells reduced power 92 mainsprings rated at 12, 13, 14, and 16 lbs. If you are planning to use the pistol as a range gun, you can experiment with progressively lighter springs until you get the DA trigger pull weight you like, or until you experience light primer strikes. In my experience, light primer strikes with 16 lb or higher springs are virtually unheard of.
If you are accustomed to shooting double action revolvers so far as DA trigger pull weight and length are concerned, I doubt you would have any trouble with the Beretta 92FS even with the stock mainspring so long as you can reach the trigger in DA mode. I would certainly at least handle and dry fire a Beretta 92FS before buying one. The grip of the Beretta 92 is pretty chunky. If you are used to using the "power crease" of the first joint of your trigger finger on the trigger for double action shooting, the reach to the DA trigger of the Beretta could be a stretch unless you have at least average-sized hands.
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I'll second most comments here and say put the D spring in. I've owned my 92FS for a long time. I finally upgraded the trigger with the Wilson Combat Short Reach Trigger. I've got stubby fingers and this made a huge difference for me in DA. I grew up shooting revolvers and DA/SA S&W autos. The 92 has a fine trigger and is my most accurate 9mm.
I have never been able to adjust to the DA/SA trigger to shoot it well. I have been able to do well with any SA trigger, or any DA trigger (1911s or Glocks). I sold a Sig 220 over this issue and while I have always admired the Beretta 92, have never bought one because of the trigger style. Maybe it's just me -- buy one and find out.
I have had mine for almost 30 years....got it in the mid-late 80's. One of the first center fire pistols I bought out of college.
I find the trigger about on par for a corp make the lawyers happy trigger....not really better not really worse. Sure there are better out there but it is about par for the course.
I can say this about the 92fs....it would be one of the last hand guns I would let go.
I find the trigger about on par for a corp make the lawyers happy trigger....not really better not really worse. Sure there are better out there but it is about par for the course.
I can say this about the 92fs....it would be one of the last hand guns I would let go.
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The 92FS has an atrocious trigger out of the box. I had an Italian produced model and it's the only trigger I've ever encountered out of the box that downright sucked. It's long and heavy in DA, it's long in SA, it's just a really bad trigger. I've heard spring changes cure all trigger related ills, but I just sold mine on. The P226 another gentleman compared it to is at least twice as nice out of the box...
All that said I like the 92FS quite a bit and would highly recommend it. I loved mine despite thinking the trigger stinks, and it got a lot of range time. Some guns are just special and the 92FS is special. I rarely hold onto a gun long term unless it's a carry piece, and I know the 92FS is a winner because I kind of want a Wilson 92G model...
All that said I like the 92FS quite a bit and would highly recommend it. I loved mine despite thinking the trigger stinks, and it got a lot of range time. Some guns are just special and the 92FS is special. I rarely hold onto a gun long term unless it's a carry piece, and I know the 92FS is a winner because I kind of want a Wilson 92G model...
GeneS
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There’s a wide range of opinion here on the 92fs trigger. I think handguns are a real personal preference thing. I really love the big Beretta. The double action trigger pull is very much like a good double action revolver. The single action is fairly light and crisp. The military spec for firing pin force requires a very heavy hammer spring. This gives a hammer force that can practically crush rocks. It’s way overkill for any domestic primer. Changing out the stock hammer spring for a Beretta “D” spring or another brand 16 lb. spring will really improve the double action pull and still be 100% reliable. It’s a mod I would make to any 92fs. The spring will cost about $5 and it takes less than 5 minutes to install.
I took my 92fs to the range yesterday for a little trigger time. It's stock standard short of a stainless guide rod.
It's funny. I like my glock. It's so easy to carry, so reliable, and keeps 15 rounds on target with ease.
However, the 92 is just ridiculously accurate. I hadn't shot mine in months and months. The first shot I took was aimed at the number "2" over the heart on the target at 12 yards.
I gripped the gun and squeezed back the long DS trigger, way different than the 8lb trigger on my Glock. A firm stack then clean break and the gun fires. The massive aluminum frame soaks up most all the recoil. The "2" disappears. 14 more shots (with a couple of fliers from poor trigger control) result in a fist size hole center mass.
It's different, but the full size 92 IS a good shooting gun. Love my Glock 19, adore my Ruger revolvers, impressed with the accuracy of my fns...the 92 would be the last gun I part with. Such a pleasure to shoot, my gorgeous Rosa Belladonna.
It's funny. I like my glock. It's so easy to carry, so reliable, and keeps 15 rounds on target with ease.
However, the 92 is just ridiculously accurate. I hadn't shot mine in months and months. The first shot I took was aimed at the number "2" over the heart on the target at 12 yards.
I gripped the gun and squeezed back the long DS trigger, way different than the 8lb trigger on my Glock. A firm stack then clean break and the gun fires. The massive aluminum frame soaks up most all the recoil. The "2" disappears. 14 more shots (with a couple of fliers from poor trigger control) result in a fist size hole center mass.
It's different, but the full size 92 IS a good shooting gun. Love my Glock 19, adore my Ruger revolvers, impressed with the accuracy of my fns...the 92 would be the last gun I part with. Such a pleasure to shoot, my gorgeous Rosa Belladonna.
eazyrider
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The 92 is my favorite handgun. For me the DA trigger is long but smooth. The SA is about perfect to me. I have both regular 92's and Wilson's. Obviously, the Wilson's are better but I would have no problems with a regular Beretta.
If you like the grip, and I do, then you will learn the trigger just fine.
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