(OR) State-sponsored killing is no family value (what a MAROON!)

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State-sponsored killing is no family value

01/22/03

MATT ROSSELL

W earing a bunny suit protesting the "Family Rabbit Hunt" didn't help me understand what it's like to be in their skin, but spending an afternoon with hunters at the E.E. Wilson Wildlife Area north of Corvallis revealed what these critters are up against. Oregonians should hold accountable the mastermind of such events, the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

The point of protesting: An Oregon state agency shouldn't promote blood sports as "family fun," especially to recruit shotgun-wielding children to kill rabbits harassed by hounds. The agency's head commissioner, John Esler, a hunter himself, uses the agency to promote hunting. Based on recent public outcry, many Oregonians disagree.

A flood of calls, e-mails and letters persuaded Department of Fish and Wildlife commissioners to postpone the hunt and hear people out during their meeting. Every hunting lobbyist and their cousin weighed in, and the rhetoric was flying. Some claimed hunting manages wildlife, as if the critters couldn't manage without help. This rationalization is largely based on deer overpopulations that comprise only 4.5 percent of the animals killed by hunters. The rest -- mourning doves, squirrels, rabbits, waterfowl and thousands of predators -- are not overpopulated, and few biologists would argue they need to be hunted.

A few vowed to hunt without the state's blessing, and I followed on Jan. 11 to document and bear witness. In the daylong drizzle I soon found the family hunting party. Only eight of the 27 original participants showed. We searched for a topic to soothe the tension and found it in our mutual love for dogs and the outdoors. I learned about hunting and distracted them from the kill. Maybe that's why, thankfully, no animal lost its life during our time in the bush.

I watched intently as Molly, Copper and Sunny sniffed around thickets. They began howling, each in its own unique beagle voice, when they picked up the scent of a rabbit, which also has an individual personality.

Rabbit hunting consists of standing around and waiting for a dog to flush out a rabbit to be blasted with a shotgun -- a cowardly contest in my opinion, which I kept to myself. Only when a shot rang out in the calm was I reminded of the distinct difference that separated us. The very thing that would have ruined my experience would have been their highlight. A dead animal.

When I was about 12, the age of the youngest participants in the Jan. 11 hunt, I killed a rabbit. What keeps coming back to me was my disconnection from that rabbit's life. I knew the gun was deadly. I aimed and pulled the trigger. But for some reason I didn't think I would kill her. I remember hiding her body under leaves out of shame and vowed never to kill again. Anyone taking the defenseless life of another sentient being has to have some level of disconnection. Maybe that's why hunters shy away from words like "kill" in favor of "harvest" and are hard-pressed to admit that if their shot isn't clean, their victims often escape to suffer and die slowly.

The bottom line in blood sports seems to be blood money. Although five times more people enjoy nonconsumptive wildlife activities, hunters spend billions annually. Because state agencies get revenue from hunting licenses, they have a vested interest in recruiting new hunters. Programs such as Oregon's "Becoming an Outdoor Woman" encourage women and children to be hunting consumers.

But we must give hunters due credit. Representing only 10 percent of Oregon's population, they have managed to run roughshod over the Department of Fish and Wildlife. These clever, self-appointed custodians of wildlife are making decisions that favor their interests, and the hunting lobby is outraged if even a single hunt is canceled. It's time the vast majority of Oregon's more gentle folks who have evolved into a "take only pictures, leave only footprints" philosophy speak up about enjoying Oregon's wildlife while it's still alive.

Matt Rossell of Portland is Northwest outreach coordinator for California-based In Defense of Animals.

http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/editorial/1043240193188221.xml

I truly have no words....... :banghead:
 
Although five times more people enjoy nonconsumptive wildlife activities, hunters spend billions annually. Because state agencies get revenue from hunting licenses, they have a vested interest in recruiting new hunters.
In other words, hunters pay all the bills to maintain public lands and wildlife management (including enforcement of laws) while you go out bunny or bird watching for free :mad:

Why don't you buy one of every kind of license every year just to support wildlife ????
 
Wow. Just wow.

Why doesnt this group go after foxes who kill animals for food, or snakes who kill rats? Why must they go after their own kind? Hunting is an evolutionary instinct, that helps all species survive. If you dont like it, too bad, thats life. Hunting preserves the delicate food chain, and i personally think hunting saves animals. If i hunt and eat animals in the wild, then i wont have to buy meat in the store, which means less animals will be killed in corporate slaughterhouses. And teaching kids to use firearms and hunt is a great tool for life, and is a great way to enjoy nature and the outdoors while getting excersize.

Sheesh, someone has watched the movie "Open Season" a little too many times.
 
Think this fellow's ever eaten meat?

If so, then his position is not consistent with his actions.

Whether I kill it, or someone else kills it because I paid them to, it's the same end: Something else died so that I could live. Could be something with smooth fur and cute eyes.

He's a strict vegetarian? Still not consistent with his actions. Lots of critters, after all, would rather eat those vegetables. A farmer somewhere had to prevent that from happening.

Even turning on the light switch is likely to cause pollution that every-so-slightly increases the odds that some critter, somewhere will get sick and perhaps die. Each and every one of our actions can cause the death of charismatic megafauna.

Life's not a picturebook. People who think it must be are thinking as a child thinks.
 
Anyone taking the defenseless life of another sentient being has to have some level of disconnection.

Since when are wabbits sentient?


And I'd hardly venture to state that anything that can run and hide so well as a rabbit is "defenseless".
 
This reminds me of my wifes idea of "killing". Its ok to buy it off the shelf, but you are playing god, if you kill it yourself and eat it.... definitely a :banghead: :cuss: :banghead: moment
 
Too much TV

If Mr Rossel thinks rabbits are sentinent, either he doesn not understand the meaning of the word, or he has seen (and believed) WAY too much Bugs Bunny!

Let me get this straight, when young, he killed a rabbit. He knew the gun was loaded, knew it could kill, aimed and pulled the trigger, but didn't know it would kill? There is a stramge disconnect there. Sounds like alot of liberals, unable to comprehend that actions have consequences. Even their's.

So he went with hunters, to "distract" them from killing? Aren't there laws about interfereing with the conduct of a lawful hunt? Maybe Oregon doesn't have them, but many states do. I think there are actually some federal statutes about that as well. Sounds to me like this gentleman should make the aquaintance of some of them!

Hunting, within applicable game laws is a fundamental right. Not an enumerated right in the Constitution like the 2nd Amendment, but a right of the people by historical precedent, and I believe it would fall under the coverage of that most ignored amendment, the 10th. To my way of thinking, there is a lot more evidence to support a "right" to hunt than there is a "right" to health care, or any other of the socialist's pet causes that they claim people have a "right" to have.
 
If Mr Rossel thinks rabbits are sentinent, either he doesn not understand the meaning of the word, or he has seen (and believed) WAY too much Bugs Bunny!

Let me get this straight, when young, he killed a rabbit. He knew the gun was loaded, knew it could kill, aimed and pulled the trigger, but didn't know it would kill? There is a stramge disconnect there. Sounds like alot of liberals, unable to comprehend that actions have consequences. Even their's.

So he went with hunters, to "distract" them from killing? Aren't there laws about interfereing with the conduct of a lawful hunt? Maybe Oregon doesn't have them, but many states do. I think there are actually some federal statutes about that as well. Sounds to me like this gentleman should make the aquaintance of some of them!

Hunting, within applicable game laws is a fundamental right. Not an enumerated right in the Constitution like the 2nd Amendment, but a right of the people by historical precedent, and I believe it would fall under the coverage of that most ignored amendment, the 10th. To my way of thinking, there is a lot more evidence to support a "right" to hunt than there is a "right" to health care, or any other of the socialist's pet causes that they claim people have a "right" to have.


See you are trying to combine common sense rationality with liberalism. I have found this is like trying to replicate anti matter, yes it can be done, but it is VERY time consuming, generally quite expensive, and only yields incredibly small results occasionally, but more likely it is just a waste of time...
 
There is something wrong with a culture when a grown man is more squemish about killing than a woman. I really have a hard time No I would say I can not fantham being around a so called man like this. Squemish women at least get a tiny bit of OH PLEASE snap out of it from this woman. :confused:
 
The "Kill the wabbit" video link near the ones above sucks. The original musical score of Kill the Wabbit from the cartoon is very good. :)

I think the "What's Opera, Doc?" is the one I am thinking of. All rabbits must die or they will dress up as women and try to seduce you! :D
 
The "Kill the wabbit" video link near the ones above sucks. The original musical score of Kill the Wabbit from the cartoon is very good.

I think the "What's Opera, Doc?" is the one I am thinking of. All rabbits must die or they will dress up as women and try to seduce you!

Hehe, thanks :D
 
Mankind has hunted for many a millenia. If somehow we stopped hunting for the good of all the furry creatures, two things would happen. 1) The little fuzzy wabbits (and all the other forest creatures) would reproduce as they are famous for, therefore increasing the population. 2) The food supplies for every living creature would dwindle, starvation would ensue.

I saw a jackrabbit the other day splattered along the highway, it's a shame, those poor defenseless creatures have to dodge traffic! That's it cars are banned!!!:fire:
 
Spiggy:
Great Lazarous Necroposts Batman!
Now THAT is funny!

:D :D :D

Somebody pulls something almost 4 years old out of the morgue and everybody jumps on it like....

well......

....rabbits in rut.

Sheesh.
 
hunters spend billions annually. Because state agencies get revenue from hunting licenses,
They pay for wildlife conservation...it's either hunters shoot and consume or Dpt. of Wildlife shoots and leaves. Or, I guess we can just give the animals their habitat back and let them "manage" themselves like he suggests. Starting with his house 1st!

Think this fellow's ever eaten meat?

If so, then his position is not consistent with his actions.

I wouldn't take the bet that he eats meat and is a hypocrite for that reason. I'm sure he has eaten meat, but he could have stopped in conjunction with the development of these beliefs. You aren't born a hippie.:scrutiny: :uhoh: (I don't think...nature vs nurture and all that)

He also thinks the act of killing itself is the draw to hunting. Well, I don't hunt, but if I did I would enjoy everything but the kill. I'd enjoy the outdoors, the challenge, the shot, the hit, learning how to dress game and the comraderie. The animal dying would be too bad, but a better death than starvation, eaten by a pack of wolves or being culled by game wardens.

Edited to add: My (wifes) pet rabbit is sentient, she's got attitude and a pet cat. Rabbits are fun pets with surprising personality...nothing wrong with huntin' wild ones though either.
 
But we must give hunters due credit. Representing only 10 percent of Oregon's population...

Too bad for Oregon. That percentage used to be a lot higher. If only Tom McCall had followed through on his promise and shut those animals from the south out. They've destroyed my home state, helped along by their friends from the eastern seaboard. Have you seen what that X@#!$ from New York has done to Stumptown? The Pearl District got replaced with a bunch of yuppy skyscrapers, and the whole town looks like some theme park version of Manhattan. Oh for a good nine pointer to dump the whole mess into the Willamette. A Willamette that's polluted again now, thanks to the explosive growth fueled by those pigs from the south. But unfortunately the die is cast now. Oregon is a suburb of California, and in time will follow her new masters down the road of gun control and anti-hunting. If Joe Meek were alive today he'd move to Alaska.

for California-based In Defense of Animals

There you go. By their home state shall ye know them!
 
Yeah, when their Nanny-state ism ruins their economy...they flee to surrounding states driving up prices and ruining them. "Sure, I'll pay way too much for that house...I'm an Idiot. Now lets pass some laws for everyone's own good!":barf:
 
What bothers me is that this dude feels a need to dominate the discussion. It isn't enough that HE believes what he is saying, but he lobbies, protests and distracts people so that they HAVE to believe it.

Never mind that the Fish and Game department evolved over time, he insists that the hunters have been out numbered by the enlightened ones from the get go and have been knuckeling everyone under.

Sad fact of the matter, in 50 years he will have his wish, there will not be any hunters.

If you cannot make money on wildlife, then you will make money doing something else, if that means turning your land into a Walmart or something, then it will happen. Look at what happened in the Rain Forest when they banned teak, rose wood, et cetera... They started burning it down! If those folks couldn't make money selling the wood, then they had a to raise crops and cows...

Liberals want everyone to deny themselves a living, why they go to clubs and bump and grind with underage chicks... I think that is the point of their ideology. :barf:
 
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