P99 AS Thoughts?
- Thread starter kayl
- Start date
- Status
never_summer
Member
does s&w make parts for walther, because they distribute them?
Tezcatlipoca
Member
- Joined
- Jan 16, 2007
- Messages
- 96
I hope not.
Love,
Snobby Walther Fan.
Love,
Snobby Walther Fan.
FieroCDSP
Member
Thinkin
I own two S&W auto's, both in 40. My recent one was the M&P, and I love it. I just put a Walther P22 3.5" in layaway. I only decided on the P22 as a cheap plinker because I was really impressed with the P99's feel when I held it. I think when I decide to get a 9mm, it'll probably be a Walther. And here I had always considered myself a non-Walther kinda guy.
I own two S&W auto's, both in 40. My recent one was the M&P, and I love it. I just put a Walther P22 3.5" in layaway. I only decided on the P22 as a cheap plinker because I was really impressed with the P99's feel when I held it. I think when I decide to get a 9mm, it'll probably be a Walther. And here I had always considered myself a non-Walther kinda guy.
For U compact P99 guys - here is a sleeve U can put over the fullsize mags to extend the grip. They are coming to the US later this year - but are out in Europe.
I bought 1 from this guy and am still waiting - I should get it next week...
Here is the link to one he is selling now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/org-Walther-Gri...ryZ52511QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I bought 1 from this guy and am still waiting - I should get it next week...
Here is the link to one he is selling now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/org-Walther-Gri...ryZ52511QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
banddr2
Member
VERY GOOD ANSWER!
Autolycus
Member
Does anyone make nightsights for them? I have found a good deal on a P99 and would like to put some night sights on it.
fastbolt
Member
I prefer the AS (TDA) trigger to either the QA or DAO, but then I prefer TDA triggers in my regular working pistols ... and Walther designed and produces a good one in the 99 series. I realize that not everyone prefers a TDA action, however, and the QA action is a nicely smooth one for its type.
While I've had excellent service from my personally owned SW99 .40 S&W, as well as in the similar issued one I carried for a few years, I happen to feel the 99 series pistols are at their best when chambered in 9mm. Just my druthers ...
I sometimes have to chuckle when reading fervent enthusiast's postings, though, especially when extolling the virtues of one manufacturer over another when it comes to similarly high quality firearms ...
FWIW, the greater number of broken or failed parts I've had to replace in SW99 & P99 pistols have been parts which came from Germany. That's why manufacturers produce spare parts, you know.
The last sear housing block I had to replace, because of a broken ejector ... and which is a German part ... was in a SW99 .40 through which the owner told me he had exceeded 50,000 rounds fired. I've had a couple break off sooner than that, though (just as with some other make/model pistols).
The Walther P99 is an excellent pistol, and the licensed SW990L is an excellent pistol, but I'm glad I bought both mine when the SW99 TDA's were still being produced for commercial sales (instead of only LE sales, as they are at present).
Yes, night sights are available.
While I've had excellent service from my personally owned SW99 .40 S&W, as well as in the similar issued one I carried for a few years, I happen to feel the 99 series pistols are at their best when chambered in 9mm. Just my druthers ...
I sometimes have to chuckle when reading fervent enthusiast's postings, though, especially when extolling the virtues of one manufacturer over another when it comes to similarly high quality firearms ...
FWIW, the greater number of broken or failed parts I've had to replace in SW99 & P99 pistols have been parts which came from Germany. That's why manufacturers produce spare parts, you know.
The last sear housing block I had to replace, because of a broken ejector ... and which is a German part ... was in a SW99 .40 through which the owner told me he had exceeded 50,000 rounds fired. I've had a couple break off sooner than that, though (just as with some other make/model pistols).
The Walther P99 is an excellent pistol, and the licensed SW990L is an excellent pistol, but I'm glad I bought both mine when the SW99 TDA's were still being produced for commercial sales (instead of only LE sales, as they are at present).
Yes, night sights are available.
Jorg Nysgerrig
Member
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2006
- Messages
- 7,822
The AS Is more like a traditional double action. The QA is a partially preloaded striker, more like a Glock.
This page might help:
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VIII/3.html
along with this image
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VII/2.jpg
A bit more from: http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/defense/defense-36.html
The P99 Series is the only hammerless pistol available to offer three trigger options:
P99AS- Anti-Stress
Traditional double action and single action modes, and the added feature of the anti-stress trigger position which is engaged after reloading.
P99DAO - Double Action Only
The striker is at rest with no preload for a long smooth trigger pull. The pull is consistent in length and force from the first shot to the last.
P99QA -Quick Action
Partially preloaded striker provides a uniform short light trigger pull. This variation is a favorite among many sportsmen and police tactical units.
This page might help:
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VIII/3.html
along with this image
http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/WaltherP99FAQ/VII/2.jpg
A bit more from: http://www.carl-walther.de/englisch/defense/defense-36.html
The P99 Series is the only hammerless pistol available to offer three trigger options:
P99AS- Anti-Stress
Traditional double action and single action modes, and the added feature of the anti-stress trigger position which is engaged after reloading.
P99DAO - Double Action Only
The striker is at rest with no preload for a long smooth trigger pull. The pull is consistent in length and force from the first shot to the last.
P99QA -Quick Action
Partially preloaded striker provides a uniform short light trigger pull. This variation is a favorite among many sportsmen and police tactical units.
I'm not familiar with the variations of the P99, but...
The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun. For a range gun, or a game gun, it is a non-issue. It might also be a non-issue because the model under discussion might not have this "feature." Edit: I see from the above posts that it does.
My PD didn't go with the P99, partially because of the decocker, and partially due to feedback on the ergonomics from officers. AFAIK, the gun was reliable in testing.
Mike
The model my PD tested had the manual decocker, the button on top of the slide. To me, this is a very bad idea on a duty gun, and probably not very wise on a CCW/defensive gun. For a range gun, or a game gun, it is a non-issue. It might also be a non-issue because the model under discussion might not have this "feature." Edit: I see from the above posts that it does.
My PD didn't go with the P99, partially because of the decocker, and partially due to feedback on the ergonomics from officers. AFAIK, the gun was reliable in testing.
Mike
banddr2
Member
Meprolite makes excellent night sights and they are easy to install, but you also need a front sight wrench that is also sold, because replacement front sights are held on by a little hex bolt that is impossible to tighten without the tool. They use these front sight tools on glocks also. Do a search on Meprolite and you will find all the info you need.
kayl
Member
Why is this a very bad idea on a duty gun? My local PD carries the H&K USP .40 with the double action trigger and safety/decocking lever. I'm just curious as to why this is bad. Thanks!
Justin
Jorg Nysgerrig
Member
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2006
- Messages
- 7,822
Do you recall if it was a larger more oblong decocker or a small one?
Both the AS and the QA have a decocker. On the AS, the decocker (the larger of the two decocker types) simply returns the gun to DA mode, just as it would with a hammer-fired gun. Pulling the trigger again cocks and fires. The gun can aslo be cocked by sliding the slide slightly back again.
On the QA, the decocker isn't use as such, as is a smaller, much harder to operate button. It is used to release the striker for disassembly, not unlike pulling the triggeron a Glock. It seems to be failrly hard to operate accidentally, but I could see why one might not want it.
Coronach, I can understand why the QA decocker may not be acceptable as it could inadvertently disable the gun, but why would it not be acceptable in the AS version? Edit: Whoops, someone beat me to the question. Need to learn to stay more focused on my posts instead of this silly job thing.
Last edited:
The problem is not the idea of a decocker per se. Decockers are fine. It is this decocker's position in particular that is the issue. You cannot decock the weapon with one hand. That is a non-issue for a game gun or a range gun, but for a defensive weapon, especially a duty gun, it is a real problem.
Scenario: You confront a bad guy, he presents a lethal-force threat. You shoot him. The threat is stopped. Now, someone else (perhaps a family member or friend) tries to rush into the scene while your weapon is still out, in SA mode. There is no lethal threat, so you cannot/should-not shoot them, but you also can't let them assault you or place themselves in danger by charging into the conflict which may or may not be over. You need to decock and maybe holster, but you can't, with one hand holding onto this non-shootable subject and your other hand unable to reach that stupid decocking button.
Scenario: You're wounded in an exchange of fire with a bad guy. You put him down. You want to put your gun away so you can tend to the rather bad bleeding of your support arm. You can't decock your weapon, because your support hand is out of service. You're left with the option of trying to put the gun back into your holster in SA mode (certainly possible, but they teach "decock and holster" in that order for a very good reason) while hyped up on adrenaline, or trying to decock the weapon one handed in a move you've probably never tried before (always fun with a loaded gun after you've been shot), or just putting the thing down on the ground (never a good idea). If you have a magazine disconnect, I suppose you could drop the mag. If you do so, though, you just turned your weapon into a paperweight until you can get the magazine back in.
Are both of these fairly low-probability events? Yes. But they present a problem for cops, because they can happen. Unarmed people charging into active shooting scenes happens a heck of a lot, actually (think domestic violence). You need to be able to decock with one hand.
Mike
Scenario: You confront a bad guy, he presents a lethal-force threat. You shoot him. The threat is stopped. Now, someone else (perhaps a family member or friend) tries to rush into the scene while your weapon is still out, in SA mode. There is no lethal threat, so you cannot/should-not shoot them, but you also can't let them assault you or place themselves in danger by charging into the conflict which may or may not be over. You need to decock and maybe holster, but you can't, with one hand holding onto this non-shootable subject and your other hand unable to reach that stupid decocking button.
Scenario: You're wounded in an exchange of fire with a bad guy. You put him down. You want to put your gun away so you can tend to the rather bad bleeding of your support arm. You can't decock your weapon, because your support hand is out of service. You're left with the option of trying to put the gun back into your holster in SA mode (certainly possible, but they teach "decock and holster" in that order for a very good reason) while hyped up on adrenaline, or trying to decock the weapon one handed in a move you've probably never tried before (always fun with a loaded gun after you've been shot), or just putting the thing down on the ground (never a good idea). If you have a magazine disconnect, I suppose you could drop the mag. If you do so, though, you just turned your weapon into a paperweight until you can get the magazine back in.
Are both of these fairly low-probability events? Yes. But they present a problem for cops, because they can happen. Unarmed people charging into active shooting scenes happens a heck of a lot, actually (think domestic violence). You need to be able to decock with one hand.
Mike
OH25shooter
Member
I decock my P99 everytime with one hand. Maybe I'm missing something, but I simply raise up my thumb on my right hand and depress the decocker button. Besides, for CPD to switch from S&W would be difficult anyway. I remember when patrol officers carried the M10 revolver. MC officers experimented with stainless Ruger revolvers. I don't think that lasted one year.
I can't reach it with my strong hand thumb, though I confess to not having one on hand to try. I remember trying it with the T&E gun we had. If they have modified the design to make that possible, this removes my main criticism of the gun. And remember, I believe that this is only an issue for duty guns.
And CPD just switched to the M&P40...and yes, it has been a big of a switchover as it was from the M10 to semi-autos, I've been told. A lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mike
And CPD just switched to the M&P40...and yes, it has been a big of a switchover as it was from the M10 to semi-autos, I've been told. A lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mike
I'm up to about 24K rounds (stopped the shooting log since the last 15k+ have all been WWB) and it hasn't bobbled a single round yet. I've got 2 10rnd mags, and 6 16 round mags and they are all well made and have been surprisingly durable over the last few years (I tend to bang my spares around quite a bit between mag carriers and my tiny little shooting bag).
I never got enough trigger time behind my glock to make those claims about it. The P99 is simply the superior pistol unless your primary concern is holster wear, and it only costs $20-$80 more depending on where you live.
tracer
Member
Are the S&W AS triggers comparable to the Walther's?
Are SW99 compacts available?
Are SW99 compacts available?
PX15
Member
tracer:
You'll have to ask Shipwreck about the comparison between the Walther and the SW99 triggers. I should think they would be same, but don't have both to compare.. Ship does.
My buddy has been looking for a SW99c/AS all week, and so far no dice. SW990's all over the place, but not 99's. He's still looking, but will probably just buy a Walther P99c/AS like mine if he can't find a SW99c/AS shortly.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
You'll have to ask Shipwreck about the comparison between the Walther and the SW99 triggers. I should think they would be same, but don't have both to compare.. Ship does.
My buddy has been looking for a SW99c/AS all week, and so far no dice. SW990's all over the place, but not 99's. He's still looking, but will probably just buy a Walther P99c/AS like mine if he can't find a SW99c/AS shortly.
Best Wishes,
J. Pomeroy
SW99 = the P99 A/S trigger. It is a clone and is just like it.
The SW990L = the P99 QA trigger - only there is absolutely NO decocker.
The SW99 was discontinued at the end of 2005. U can still find new ones if U look hard enough, though - especially online.
I have a SW99 because I bought it in Nov 2005 when I couldn't find a fullsize A/S in 9mm...
The SW990L = the P99 QA trigger - only there is absolutely NO decocker.
The SW99 was discontinued at the end of 2005. U can still find new ones if U look hard enough, though - especially online.
I have a SW99 because I bought it in Nov 2005 when I couldn't find a fullsize A/S in 9mm...
- Status
