Pay off your credit cards, get labeled a terrorist suspect?

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I'd like to know specifically what law requires/allows the...etc.

This is the primary reason I DO NOT support this Patriot Act nonsense. Because of all these little secret, hidden provisions of the law.

My suspicion is homeland security got the authority to require this notification from CC companies with the patriot act.

Think they'll ever give that up? Nope.
 
My BS meter is pegged

Paying off large balances are very common. When I worked in the Mortgage business it was very common in the cases of border line borrowers where they have too much availiable credit the Under writer will direct payoff and cancellation of the account and think of all the refi loans just for the purpose of the paying off credit cards. If the guy isn't lying then the credit card rep just make up a law on the spot to explain why they screwed up.
 
If the guy isn't lying then the credit card rep just make up a law on the spot to explain why they screwed up.
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Dad had something similiar when his bank wanted ID and a thumbprint or something when he went to deposit his paycheck. Said new legislation required it. Dad did the research, found out that not only wasn't it required, only that branch was doing it.

The extra requirements are for cashing a check, not depositing it.
 
If the guy isn't lying then the credit card rep just make up a law on the spot to explain why they screwed up.

Because we all know that evil bad capitalist private industry ALWAYS lies, and the government NEVER lies, right? :rolleyes:
 
Most fat, stuipd americans don't READ thier contracts when they open their account.

I did, and when the bank tried to pull some BS fee for a transfer I whipped it out and said 'point to the fee on you fee schedual'.

They couldn't, cause it wasn't there. They said my chart was out of date, I asked for a new one. They couldn't provide one. Out comes the manager and we go again.

I got the fee waived (like $25) 'for that one time' but there still is no updated fee schedual.

I wrote a letter, then changed banks.

WAY TO MANY honest banks to stay with a fake one.
 
Baron Holbach4 wrote:

Financial institutions have been required to report to the government transactions according to the Bank Secrecy Act since 1970.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_Secrecy_Act

Welcome to the "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave."

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If memory serves, there was also some garbage in the above mentioned about the account records being "the bank's records", rather than the records of the account holder. Somehow, what was forgotten was the following. If you hadn't opened an account, there would be no records whatever, and that since the account was yours, so should the records thereof be.
 
How about the two drug dealers I seen counting hundred dollar bills from a stack in broad daylight pulled up at a stoplight. I won't mention what color they were. Are they considered to be terrorists with that kind of money?:mad:
 
But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered.
A "small piece of privacy"? What measured understatement. And it was never surrendered, it was taken.

Someone mentioned paying cash? Go plunk down a similar amont in cash to pay for some thing or things - like airline tickets and some hotel service - and see what happens next ;)

"The homeland"? People should have had a clue when someones chose the name "Homeland Security" for our new expansion of federal power. Since when has "the homeland" - ever - been the sort of reference Americans use for the United States of America?

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pay cash

I was at a Hilton for a DPMA meeting and I saw big lines at 11 checkin lines. The 12th had no line. It was a cash only line. I went to the head of the line and plunked down $300 and got through in seconds. Almost all of the other guests had company credit cards they had to use.

In 1996 I tried to pay my bar tab at Holiday Isle, Islamorada, FL http://www.holidayisle.com/ with a $100 bill. There was a rash of conterfeit hundreds going around so they polity asked could they copy my DL. Old bill then. No problem. Great service, just CYA on hundreds. The lazer copiers were better than the money. A great place to visit, but the weather is BORING. High 86 low 68 evey day in Winter.

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Well this actually started as a "Tool" in the war on Drugs and to stop IRS cheating.

This whole thing stinks.
 
A lot of people in this thread continue to jump on the anti-government bandwagon, as if the original claim were true. But I haven't seen any evidence yet to support the claim.

There's enough legitimate stuff to gripe about when it comes to the gummit. But when people take anything that's said bad about the gummit as truth, they are crossing the line into conspiracy nut territory.
 
A lot of people in this thread continue to jump on the anti-government bandwagon, as if the original claim were true. But I haven't seen any evidence yet to support the claim.

There's enough legitimate stuff to gripe about when it comes to the gummit. But when people take anything that's said bad about the gummit as truth, they are crossing the line into conspiracy nut territory.

The Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 requires financial institutions to report transactions tendered to a certain amount of money. Paying off a large credit card debt with one check -- such as the amount that triggered this thread -- can be interpreted to be within the scope of the BSA and Homeland Security. The banks would rather play it safe than sorry and report to the government those transactions that could raise suspicion or are simply innocuous. Under the BSA, financial institutions face heavy penalties for failure to report, even if the transaction is dubious at best or has all the earmarks of innocence. Whatever paranoia might ensue after a citizen learns that his/her transaction has been reviewed and reported, does not cross over into "conspiracy nut territory." What really rankles me is that most people never know they were reported because the BSA does not require the financial institutions to alert the citizen that their transaction had been reported.
 
I am not an expert and I won't pretend to have ever worked in the banking industry in any way.

I used to gamble a bit on midgets who ride horses in circles. You learn an awful lot about taxes and cash and banks doing this. This knowledge comes from doing your taxes, talking to tellers at the track, talking to tellers at the bank, talking to managers at the track, and mangers at the bank. I will leave out the other gamblers who make my tin foil hat look a bit small and thin.

Basically my opinion is that you can do about anything you want if the money is being tracked. Close out a big bank account and get the money in a bank check of some sort and you can use it for a down payment for a house, buy a car, buy a gun, or buy some collectable whatzit. No one really cares.

Cash is where folks get goofey.

Basically my opinion is that the old 10k number is history.

These days anything odd is what folks look for and are expected to catch. Since this applies to cash, that is where things come into play.

I figure if someone normally withdraws 20 dollars a week and suddenly starts messing around with hundreds or low thousands, that will catch some attention.

I am saying in this post that I don't know if I am right.

But I heard an awful lot from all sorts of different folks at different tracks and different banks to be willing to say things did not get tighter after 9/11/01.

I like cash and since it is always drawn from my account I do not worry about it. There is always a papertrail for legal stuff, what they want to check is if there is a lack of a paper trail and they have to flag you to do that.

Depending on how the money was deposited for the check the original article is about I figure that could explain it all, or perhaps some of the posters here are correct that there was no real problem it was more a matter of timing.
 
"The homeland"? People should have had a clue when someones chose the name "Homeland Security" for our new expansion of federal power. Since when has "the homeland" - ever - been the sort of reference Americans use for the United States of America?

You only need a label like "homeland" to differentiate yourself from captured territories, holdings, and colonies.

So why do we have it?
 
Baron wrote:

"Definitely. We are all suspects.

Welcome to "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave." "

I couldn't agree more I think we should change it to

Land of the felon, home of the slave.

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Larger, what the car dealer did was illegal. Based on the facts you provided, he had no permissible purpose to examine your credit report.

If some car dealer did that to me, I'd send him a demand letter for $1000.00 and give him 30 days to cough up. And if he didn't, then I'd sue his ass and ask for attorney fees.
 
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