Penn Security Bank and Trust Company, Scranton PA

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We've got over 70,000 members here. We can make a difference. Unless you're one of the people who doesn't do anything. If so, please abstain from encouraging others to also avoid doing anything. This obviously isn't your fight.

A fair number of you probably live in the Scranton area.

You need to let the bank's officials know how you feel about this insulting and dangerous sign. If you are a customer of the bank, you need to move your business to a different one. Yeah, it'll suck, but you'll be happier and safer.

THR has done stuff like this in the past, but not successfully as of late. Can we do it again? It's up to you.

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i'd like to personally thank everyone who gets involved with this, in advance. i already contacted my family members who have accounts there, and they all (all 5 of them) have agreed to close their accounts there. some of my friends are willing to do so, as well. i've been on the phone with the bank a few times today; they themselves are still trying to figure out what the hell's going on.
 
As I already posted in the other related thread, a sign in the window has no force of law in Pennsylvania. As long as you keep your piece concealed, there's nothing they can do. If they discover you carrying on their property, their sole remedy is to request that you immediately leave. If you refuse to leave, you can be charged with trespass.

Make as big a deal of it as you like. I hope you can win them over to our side. In the meantime, how about finding an e-mail address so that we can flood a manager's e-mail box with advice about doing business with Pennsylvanians in Pennsylvania?
 
Main Office: 150 N. Washington Ave., Scranton, PA 18503
Toll-free: 1.800.327.0394 / 1.570.346.7741
www.pennsecurity.com

CENTRAL CITY OFFICE
Carl Baruffaldi, Mgr.
150 North Washington Ave.
Scranton, PA 18503
(570) 346-7741
800-327-0394



SOUTH SIDE OFFICE
Avandra McMillan, Mgr.
526 Cedar Avenue
Scranton, PA 18505
(570) 343-1151



EAST SCRANTON OFFICE
Frank Gardner, Mgr.
Prescott Ave. & Ash St.
Scranton, PA 18510
(570) 342-9101



NORTH POCONO OFFICE
Pam Edwards, Mgr.
Main & Academy St.
Moscow, PA 18444
(570) 842-7626




MOUNT POCONO OFFICE
Susan Kopp, Mgr.
406 Pocono Blvd.
Mount Pocono, PA 18344
(570) 839-8732



ABINGTON OFFICE
Susan Holweg, Mgr.
1100 Northern Blvd.
Clarks Summit, PA 18411
(570) 587-4898

GREEN RIDGE OFFICE
Dominic Gianuzzi, Mgr.
E. Market St. & Sanderson Ave.
Scranton, PA 18509
(570) 346-4695


GOULDSBORO OFFICE
Robin Jenkins, Mgr.
Main & Second Sts.
Gouldsboro, PA 18424
(570) 842-6473

EAST STROUDSBURG OFFICE
Marisol Lopez, Mgr.
705 Milford Road
East Stroudsburg, PA 18301
(570) 420-0432
 
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Maybe I'll open an account so I can cite this policy as my reason for closing it.

"Yeah, I opened this account but found out about your policy on legally carried self-defense weapons. This policy is unconscionable. Please close my account at once."


-T.
 
One of my best friend's is from Dunmore,just outside Scranton.
The rest of his extended family still lives there.
He could not believe this sign when I emailed him a short time ago.He's already called his sis and brother who bank there to take action ASAP.
This guy spent 2 tours in 'Nam and things like this disturb him greatly.
We are both sending messages to the bank and the Realty Company about this outrageous sign's language.
Thank you ,bogie ,for the post and jahwarrior for the address.
 
As I already posted in the other related thread, a sign in the window has no force of law in Pennsylvania. As long as you keep your piece concealed, there's nothing they can do. If they discover you carrying on their property, their sole remedy is to request that you immediately leave. If you refuse to leave, you can be charged with trespass.
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If this is the case then you can openly carry there also, until they ask you to leave. I wonder if the front-line workers and even the managers care enough to enforce the policy. It would be easy enough to find out.
 
the guy just hung up on me!!! I asked the personal guy why had he said it was making customers unconfertable. I said "how, where they waving them around." "he said no. people would see them and get scared and think the bank is going to get robbed." I asked "have you ever been robbed" kinda reporter like. he said yes. I asked" how did the robbers present there guns?" he said some where concealed, some where in envalopes some where in bags...." I then asked "have you ever been robbed when the guy who walked in had is gun resting in a holster?" he hesateed a secend and sand said"...uh I never was there so I don't know" I said "you have customers, business owners who make $10,000 cash deposits. would you feel safe walking around with $10,000 cash on you?" he said "no" I asked " how would you protect your self?" he said..this is the kicker.. "I would carry a hand gun" I then said "but, you wouldn't be welcome in your bank and you are telling your customers are not welcome either..." I hear a long pause and then the ever-familer "click"
 
Remember that it isn't about whether or not the sign is "legal" or has a force of law behind it.

Even if you can walk right past it carrying a Barrett .50 with no consequences, it is still insulting, and reinforces the "guns are bad" message to large parts of the fence-sitting population.
 
That's too bad. Why such a huge sign? Good grief.

Wachovia here has a tiny micro picture of a revolver with a line through it. Probably about an inch across. Doesn't deter me, and certainly wouldn't deter a robber.

Sometimes I think banks consider a robbery is something they can control. Provided other customers don't get involved, the BG simply threatens the teller, they hand over the cash, and he walks out.

But often times that's not the case. The BG decides a few people have to get shot in the process.

I dunno, hopefully you guys can put some pressure on corporate over this. Simply withdrawing accounts from the bank won't do it.
 
Pull your accounts.

Judging by the apparent tone of the partly obscured no-smoking sign, this manager is one heck of an aggressively self-righteous individual.

Pull your accounts.

By the way, wasn't there a problem a year or two ago with the real estate company they seem to be affiliated with? Pensco Realty? Seems like a familar name to me but I'm not sure, so don't accuse me of slander.

Maybe it was on packing.org, now defunct, that I read something about it.

Incidentally, I walked into a Mom & Pop gun shop today (no prohibited sign) and while discussing something about Kel-Tecs I asked if I could examine the gun to verify something --could I take it out of my pocket?

Response: "No problem. We won't even let you in here if you don't have a gun on you."

Joking, of course, but it made my heart soar like an eagle.

I forgot to mention that you should pull your accounts. Whether they change policy because of it or not, I would refuse to knowingly support such a business.
 
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Spoke with security

I spoke with security. It appears form our discussion that they had two (several?) customers that left their establishment due to feeling uncomfortable with open carry. As described to me in one incident the individual that was open carrying was wearing sunglasses, in a t-shirt that was bloused over the firearm, and carrying a gym bag.

I wonder why they don’t restrict bringing in bags and sunglasses, hats, etc in to there establishments? It would make me feel a lot better if I could see everyone’s hands, heads and eyes! :banghead:
 
What we need are a couple of account holders that have 7/8 figure accounts to walk in and demand the sign be taken down.

That kind of money walking out the door all in one shot will get the attention of the bank President.

Or, Organize all the members that are going to close thier accounts do it on the same day (probably pretty tough to organize).

Good Luck!
 
I make it a habit of NOT entering establishments that leave me unarmed and vulnerable to the criminal populous at large... I wish all Pennsylvanians much success in this fight.
 
^ No. Matter of fact I just came back on to delete that remark since it's not too HR.

My comments about aggressive self-righteousness will suffice without additional comment.

Again incidentally, I read about a year ago that there were 600,000 CCW permitees in Pennsylvania. If my memory is indeed correct, that might be one heck of a big clout.
 
I'm fine with it. Walking the high road doesn't necessarily mean you have to hide your emotions, just control them. Of course that's just my personal interpretation.
 
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the guy just hung up on me!!! I asked the personal guy why had he said it was making customers unconfertable. I said "how, where they waving them around." "he said no. people would see them and get scared and think the bank is going to get robbed." I asked "have you ever been robbed" kinda reporter like. he said yes. I asked" how did the robbers present there guns?" he said some where concealed, some where in envalopes some where in bags...." I then asked "have you ever been robbed when the guy who walked in had is gun resting in a holster?" he hesateed a secend and sand said"...uh I never was there so I don't know" I said "you have customers, business owners who make $10,000 cash deposits. would you feel safe walking around with $10,000 cash on you?" he said "no" I asked " how would you protect your self?" he said..this is the kicker.. "I would carry a hand gun" I then said "but, you wouldn't be welcome in your bank and you are telling your customers are not welcome either..." I hear a long pause and then the ever-familer "click"
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Spoke with security

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I spoke with security. It appears form our discussion that they had two (several?) customers that left their establishment due to feeling uncomfortable with open carry. As described to me in one incident the individual that was open carrying was wearing sunglasses, in a t-shirt that was bloused over the firearm, and carrying a gym bag. I wonder why they don’t restrict bringing in bags and sunglasses, hats, etc in to there establishments? It would make me feel a lot better if I could see everyone’s hands, heads and eyes!
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I do not want to derail this thread. That is not my attempt w/ this post. Consider this an opportunity to improve your argument.

Are you guys willing to address concerns of Penn Security Bank and Trust Company over potential loss of revenue by people OC’ers scare off? If so, does your response go beyond the simple “Remove the sign or I will not do business with you anymore. Choose which customers you want”?
 
Found the central bank manager's email...

[email protected]

Sent this to them, although I don't live in PA, they don't need to know that.

Hi, I'm a new Scranton resident and I stopped by your location to open a new account when I saw the sign on the door, notifying me that my civil rights (2nd amendment) were not welcome there. I own non-resident Florida permit that legally allows me to carry a concealed firearm in 28 states, including Pennsylvania. To obtain that permit, I took a firearm training class, had fingerprints taken, and had an FBI background check/mental health history check. I can defend myself and my family virtually everywhere else, but your bank does not trust me to do the same in your facility. A sign on the front door is not going to stop someone who is intent on causing harm or robbing your bank. Such signs and policies only disarm the law abiding citizens who have gone through the time and effort to obtain legal means of self-defense. The people who rob banks are not concealed carry permit holders, in fact, a majority of them are repeat felons who are not even legally allowed to OWN their guns, much less carry them. I'm assuming you haven't heard many stories like this one, when law-abiding citizens are a benefit to businesses such as yours --> link

I am at a total disagreement with your ban on self defense, and will be opening a business account at one of your competitor's banks.

Thank you for your time, and have a great day
 
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