Penn Security Bank and Trust Company, Scranton PA
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This is an utterly crucial point. Many business strive to be customer oriented in all their activities. When establishing policies, such companies will try to consider the impact of the policy on their customers. This includes all of their target market.
So, if a customer oriented firm truly believes that a particular policy (i.e., no guns on premises) is beneficial for and satisfying to its entire customer base, then it will not be deterred from implementing or maintaining or defending such a policy--even in the face of a few (or more than a few) protests.
The only strong approach to take with a PSB no guns policy is to somehow demonstrate that their entire customer base would either be, a) better off with guns on their premises, or possibly, b) would be no worse off with guns on their premises.
Both of those will be difficult, though not impossible, to do. But sending an obviously fabricated "I'm a Scranton resident" protest e-mail is not the level of persuasion likely to be effective. That kind of stuff just allows the PSB people to categorize similar protests in a manner that diminishes their validity.
It's better to try adult level, businesslike persuasion...
Seems to me the bank's objective (to not have folks get scared) could easily have been solved with a regular old sign that says no firearms except concealed carry, or, for that matter, just "no guns," which permittees could more-or-less conveniently ignore, as has been mentioned above.
But instead, they put up this heavy-handed "sledgehammer" of a sign which, to me, sounded like the manager(s) are rather rabidly anti-gun and were figuratively pounding their fists on the desk with their veins popping out while they wrote it up.
That's what bothers me about the whole affair.
And yes, I agree that if you're going to write a letter to them claiming to be a possible customer, you'd better be honest about it.
Especially since there is a high possibilty that bank officals are aware of this thread* and will probably discount a lot of the letters they are getting based on that one post.
"They don't have to know this," but they probably do now.
To the detriment of our cause.
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After all, doesn't everybody, including businesses, do vanity searches?
But instead, they put up this heavy-handed "sledgehammer" of a sign which, to me, sounded like the manager(s) are rather rabidly anti-gun and were figuratively pounding their fists on the desk with their veins popping out while they wrote it up.
That's what bothers me about the whole affair.
And yes, I agree that if you're going to write a letter to them claiming to be a possible customer, you'd better be honest about it.
Especially since there is a high possibilty that bank officals are aware of this thread* and will probably discount a lot of the letters they are getting based on that one post.
"They don't have to know this," but they probably do now.
To the detriment of our cause.
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After all, doesn't everybody, including businesses, do vanity searches?
I live 30 or so miles south of Scranton. It seems this is the local trend lately, anti gun things. This incident and the 'Dickson City Open Carry" issue comes to mind. Dickson City is close enough to be considered downrange from Scranton.
Best bet is to hit them where is counts. Letters, especially pseudo truths, are not going to make the bank blink. A blow to the dollars and cents bottom line will make them review their social stands. I'll make everyone I know aware of this bank's policies and make sure they react in a proper fashion. Proper fashion being, inquire about the sign, confirm the policy, and remove all funds and interests in said institution based on the acknowledged facts.
Best bet is to hit them where is counts. Letters, especially pseudo truths, are not going to make the bank blink. A blow to the dollars and cents bottom line will make them review their social stands. I'll make everyone I know aware of this bank's policies and make sure they react in a proper fashion. Proper fashion being, inquire about the sign, confirm the policy, and remove all funds and interests in said institution based on the acknowledged facts.
HeXeD775
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has this been posted on PAFOA (Pennsylvania Firearm Owners Association ), here's a link:
http://www.pafoa.org/
http://www.pafoa.org/
kevindsingleton
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In Pennsylvania, the sign has no force of law. If you still want to carry in Penn Security Bank (yes, I purposely left off the "Trust", since they obviously don't), you can, up until the point where you are requested to leave by an authorized representative of the bank.
If you carry concealed, then they'll likely never know (and, you are NOT in violation of the law). If open carry is important to you (and, I'm not saying it shouldn't be), then please continue to fight the good fight. I'm not confident that bank management cares enough about the rights of its customers to allow them to protect themselves, or to provide protection while disarmed in their banks, since the sign makes no mention of the bank assuming responsibility for your safety while you are disarmed within their facilities.
I know I wouldn't want someone who demonstrated such disdain for my safety to be in charge of my money, but that decision is up to the customers of Penn Security Bank. This group will not include me, as long as Penn Security Bank management insists I become a disarmed victim upon entrance to their facilities.
If you carry concealed, then they'll likely never know (and, you are NOT in violation of the law). If open carry is important to you (and, I'm not saying it shouldn't be), then please continue to fight the good fight. I'm not confident that bank management cares enough about the rights of its customers to allow them to protect themselves, or to provide protection while disarmed in their banks, since the sign makes no mention of the bank assuming responsibility for your safety while you are disarmed within their facilities.
I know I wouldn't want someone who demonstrated such disdain for my safety to be in charge of my money, but that decision is up to the customers of Penn Security Bank. This group will not include me, as long as Penn Security Bank management insists I become a disarmed victim upon entrance to their facilities.
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jahwarrior
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no. their security is an unarmed retiree in uniform, walking around the parking lot. and that's only at the main branch. the other branches have nothing.
kevindsingleton
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Remember when banks used to have an armed, uniformed guard, or two, inside, and they were friendly, and offered reasonable rates on savings accounts, and the occasional premium gift for new accounts?
Today, they not only want to disarm you, while providing no other means of security, they also rape you on interest rates, can be a bit surly, and the closest they come to "gifts" is that they'll take free pictures and video of you being violated to air on the evening news.
Can somebody remind me why we still use banks?
Today, they not only want to disarm you, while providing no other means of security, they also rape you on interest rates, can be a bit surly, and the closest they come to "gifts" is that they'll take free pictures and video of you being violated to air on the evening news.
Can somebody remind me why we still use banks?
cortez kid
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I have to take exception to the "Private Property" thing. If you have a product, you have the right to either sell it to me or not. It's not mine. But when you take my money with a promise to pay me more money for the USE of MY money, you don't have the RIGHT to exclude me from the availablity of MY money through the guise of private property rights. That money is MY private property, lent to that institution to use as a LOAN to them. How would you like to be excluded from access to YOUR property. Sorry sir, but we have the loan on your house which we may call at our discretion, by the way we heard you have guns there. Guns make holes in walls. Our walls, please remove guns. Can't do that because it's YOUR private property. Miss a few payments and see whose property it really is. If they had the sign up first, then you may have a point. His money was there before the sign. His private property rights come first.
kid
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Remember when bankers used to carry their own guns? Well, I don't either, but:
http://www.littlegun.be/arme americaine/colt/a colt banker s special gb.htm
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