Personal Boundaries
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Skipper
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Excellent original post PAX. I agree 100%.
"It's not the fact that you're dead that counts, but only,how did you die?"
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"It's not the fact that you're dead that counts, but only,how did you die?"
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fiVe
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Great thread. This is something we all need to think about and decide--beforehand.
k_semler
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1. Do ANYTHING homosexual in nature. If you try it, expect to be dis-membered in the process. If you succeed, I WILL kill you.
2. Gain unauthorized access to my home. I don't know your intentions for being here. You'll meet god. The law's on my side.
3. Be disarmed via force or legislation. Pretty self-explanitory there. The day they come for my posessions, (even indirectly), is the day the fighting starts. Plain and simple. KATRINA CONFINSCATIONS WILL NOT HAPPEN ON MY PROPERTY!!
4, Any siutuation where I have "nothing to lose". I will be a royal ass-hole, and I will do my damndest to make what remains of your life, (or government), a living hell. Kelo v. New London anybody? I would NOT vacate peacefully! All I have is what I own. Take my posessions, and you threathen my livlihood. Threathen my livelihood, my property, or my life, and you will find yourself up **** creek without any oars.
5. I will not obey an order or statute that I decide is unconstitutional. I WILL NEVER register my weapons, regardless of statutes, I will not restrict my (lack of) religious practices, and I WILL NOT surrender my property to government officials without just compensation. If an order is unconstitutional and out of line, I will not obey it.
2. Gain unauthorized access to my home. I don't know your intentions for being here. You'll meet god. The law's on my side.
3. Be disarmed via force or legislation. Pretty self-explanitory there. The day they come for my posessions, (even indirectly), is the day the fighting starts. Plain and simple. KATRINA CONFINSCATIONS WILL NOT HAPPEN ON MY PROPERTY!!
4, Any siutuation where I have "nothing to lose". I will be a royal ass-hole, and I will do my damndest to make what remains of your life, (or government), a living hell. Kelo v. New London anybody? I would NOT vacate peacefully! All I have is what I own. Take my posessions, and you threathen my livlihood. Threathen my livelihood, my property, or my life, and you will find yourself up **** creek without any oars.
5. I will not obey an order or statute that I decide is unconstitutional. I WILL NEVER register my weapons, regardless of statutes, I will not restrict my (lack of) religious practices, and I WILL NOT surrender my property to government officials without just compensation. If an order is unconstitutional and out of line, I will not obey it.
NineseveN
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Um, like, wow...speechless. 
ThreadKiller
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1) Never fight a land war in SE Asia.
2) Never go in against a Sicilian with death on the line! HA HA HA HA
Great thread.
2) Never go in against a Sicilian with death on the line! HA HA HA HA
Great thread.
Could it be that you do not really know your boundaries until you actually reach your boundaries? Could the way you respond be primarily based on your inherited instincts?
There are some that will fight and some that will take flight. Which are you? Do you really know? What in your past has shown which way you will go? Do you panic? Do you think or do you go out of your head? Do you turn aggressive or cower?
When I was six I was attacked by a large stray dog while walking home from the bus stop. The dog pulled me down and had me by my leg and was shaking me violently back and forth. I was literally being tossed around like a rag doll. I remember to this day that although scared I kept my wits. I had a metal lunch box in my hand and I deliberately hit the dog in the ribs and then in the head over and over again until the dog let go and ran off.
Over the years I have behaved in a similar matter. During fights with bullies much larger than myself I never lost control. I thought out my moves and was always the aggressor once the fight begun. During some attempted home invasions I responded to protect myself. I kept my mind during some car wrecks.
I did err during one occasion and short cycled the bolt on my Enfield while someone was trying to kick in my door. I had the bolt open on a loaded magazine but the bolt was a 1/2 inch from being all the way back. When I grabbed the rifle in the dark from the closet and closed the bolt no round was stripped from the magazine. I went after the intruder with an unloaded rifle I thought was loaded. I have analyzed this situation and have made changes in my home defense situation.
I think it is good to think out some what if scenarios and play though some things in your mind. But I think you need to evaluate yourself. Is what you think you will do what you really will do? How well do you really know how you will respond in an extreme crisis?
There are some that will fight and some that will take flight. Which are you? Do you really know? What in your past has shown which way you will go? Do you panic? Do you think or do you go out of your head? Do you turn aggressive or cower?
When I was six I was attacked by a large stray dog while walking home from the bus stop. The dog pulled me down and had me by my leg and was shaking me violently back and forth. I was literally being tossed around like a rag doll. I remember to this day that although scared I kept my wits. I had a metal lunch box in my hand and I deliberately hit the dog in the ribs and then in the head over and over again until the dog let go and ran off.
Over the years I have behaved in a similar matter. During fights with bullies much larger than myself I never lost control. I thought out my moves and was always the aggressor once the fight begun. During some attempted home invasions I responded to protect myself. I kept my mind during some car wrecks.
I did err during one occasion and short cycled the bolt on my Enfield while someone was trying to kick in my door. I had the bolt open on a loaded magazine but the bolt was a 1/2 inch from being all the way back. When I grabbed the rifle in the dark from the closet and closed the bolt no round was stripped from the magazine. I went after the intruder with an unloaded rifle I thought was loaded. I have analyzed this situation and have made changes in my home defense situation.
I think it is good to think out some what if scenarios and play though some things in your mind. But I think you need to evaluate yourself. Is what you think you will do what you really will do? How well do you really know how you will respond in an extreme crisis?
I will fight till the last round has been spent, When all rounds are spent I will fight till my blade is dull, When blade is dull I will fight with my hands and feet till the last person standing is me! I owe it to my brothers that fought till they could not fight anymore. I AM MY BROTHERS KEEPER.
Jamie C.
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I think the last line of my signature pretty much covers my feelings on any compliance with an attacker/robber/burglar... *shrug*
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Igloodude
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Pax et al's rules are ones that I haven't thought enough about, yet, but they are probably going to find themselves in my own rules soon.
Like a few others, one that I've thought about is that anyone who has come in my home covertly or through force doesn't step on the third stair to the second level (where the occupied bedrooms are) without being shot.
I will not participate in any "play" involving firearms.
My wife and I have to review some security rules, I'm reminded by other posts in this thread, regarding circumstances requiring instant compliance to what I command.
Like a few others, one that I've thought about is that anyone who has come in my home covertly or through force doesn't step on the third stair to the second level (where the occupied bedrooms are) without being shot.
I will not participate in any "play" involving firearms.
My wife and I have to review some security rules, I'm reminded by other posts in this thread, regarding circumstances requiring instant compliance to what I command.
Professor Gun
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Excellent point, GoBrush.
Some years ago I lived in a bad section of a large city; I was a graduate student and couldn't afford any better housing for my wife and I. We had two large dogs, the yard wasn't fenced, so I walked them in a small park across the street several times each day and night. There were three kids, about 16-17 years old doing stick-ups in the area. At least one of them was armed as a few weeks previously a young woman had been robbed and shot in front of my home late at night because she apparently didn't give up her purse fast enough. Late one night I was out walking our dogs in the park, I always carried a 3 foot axe handle as we were sometimes attacked by stray dogs, and I am a big guy, probably had at least 80 lbs. on the kids doing the robberies. Out of the bushes comes three teens in front of me and my dogs, about 10 feet away. They stand blocking my way and one says "Hey man, gimme your wallet!". Without even thinking about it, I was so tired of my neighborhood being controlled by scum, I had a bad day, I let out the 6 foot leads I had on my dogs and ran at the teens as soon as the words were out of the kids mouth. One of my dogs was prone to chomp on strangers, the second made a lot of noise, and I had the axe handle up ready to cause a concussion for someone. All three took off so fast they probably would have qualified for the 100 yard dash in the Olympics.
Afterwards I felt pretty shaken as I thought about it and the fact that these were probably the same ones who shot the woman in front of my house. It was probably a dumb thing to do but I was determined that of the three I would take at least one out and my mean dog would get another. Never had any trouble after that while walking my dogs.
Some years ago I lived in a bad section of a large city; I was a graduate student and couldn't afford any better housing for my wife and I. We had two large dogs, the yard wasn't fenced, so I walked them in a small park across the street several times each day and night. There were three kids, about 16-17 years old doing stick-ups in the area. At least one of them was armed as a few weeks previously a young woman had been robbed and shot in front of my home late at night because she apparently didn't give up her purse fast enough. Late one night I was out walking our dogs in the park, I always carried a 3 foot axe handle as we were sometimes attacked by stray dogs, and I am a big guy, probably had at least 80 lbs. on the kids doing the robberies. Out of the bushes comes three teens in front of me and my dogs, about 10 feet away. They stand blocking my way and one says "Hey man, gimme your wallet!". Without even thinking about it, I was so tired of my neighborhood being controlled by scum, I had a bad day, I let out the 6 foot leads I had on my dogs and ran at the teens as soon as the words were out of the kids mouth. One of my dogs was prone to chomp on strangers, the second made a lot of noise, and I had the axe handle up ready to cause a concussion for someone. All three took off so fast they probably would have qualified for the 100 yard dash in the Olympics.
Afterwards I felt pretty shaken as I thought about it and the fact that these were probably the same ones who shot the woman in front of my house. It was probably a dumb thing to do but I was determined that of the three I would take at least one out and my mean dog would get another. Never had any trouble after that while walking my dogs.
JMusic
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I think some people should be careful what they put in writing on a web site. Talking insurrection may be how you feel but could rise up and bite you later. If you are unfortunate to have an incident that is construed as illegal your computor will be confiscated and whatever you have written can be used against you. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what has been stated. I'm just saying that its not a good idea to put it in writting. Im also struggeling if this is still a Stratigic/Tactical question.
Jim
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JMusic ~
Don't know if that was directed at me as the thread starter, or at some of the responses. But I'll answer it anyway, because you do bring up a good point and because others on this thread have had similar comments to yours.
The reason I have very specific boundaries, conditions under which I intend to fight back even if I don't think I can win, is because I know just a little bit about human nature.
The natural thing to do, when something happens, is to deny that it is happening: "This can't be happening to me!" Even if you get past that thought (a lot of victims never do), the other natural tendency is to tell yourself that if you wait, if you do what the other person says, things will get better. The situation will work itself out. All you have to do is cooperate. The attacker will take your wallet, your car keys, whatever, and leave you alone. Just wait, do what he says, and everything will be okay. That's what most people who are attacked tell themselves -- and in most cases, that is exactly what people should do. Even if you are armed, why kill someone if you don't have to? It's only stuff...
But while waiting for an opening and cooperating with the attacker might be the best strategy in many situations, there are a few very specific situations where waiting and cooperating are the worst things the victim can possibly do.
A woman forced into a car by an attacker, for instance, has a 95% or higher chance of getting killed if she complies. Even if it seems highly likely the attacker will kill her right there if she doesn't get in the car, the fact is that right at that moment, the odds are the very best they will ever be for her. They are still lousy odds, but they aren't going to get any better. So I have decided, in advance, that if I'm ever in that situation, that's when and where I will fight back no matter what my frozen brain and in-denial guts are telling me.
Similarly, a man forced into a back room on his knees, with his back to the attacker, has just been put into the execution position. Most of the time, when someone is forced into this position, what comes next is a bullet in the back of the skull. Once you are on your knees, you don't have any more choices even if you suddenly realize what is about to happen. If you're going to save your own life, you have to make the choice to fight back before you're on your knees. You have to have a decision point before that happens, one that even your frozen brain can understand.
So the purpose of analyzing this stuff beforehand is to make sure that even my frozen brain and my in-denial guts cannot lull me into cooperating in the extreme places where a victim really needs to fight if they are going to survive. Because I've thought about this stuff in advance, if something like it ever happens, even my frozen brain will have a definite decision point.
pax
Don't know if that was directed at me as the thread starter, or at some of the responses. But I'll answer it anyway, because you do bring up a good point and because others on this thread have had similar comments to yours.
The reason I have very specific boundaries, conditions under which I intend to fight back even if I don't think I can win, is because I know just a little bit about human nature.
The natural thing to do, when something happens, is to deny that it is happening: "This can't be happening to me!" Even if you get past that thought (a lot of victims never do), the other natural tendency is to tell yourself that if you wait, if you do what the other person says, things will get better. The situation will work itself out. All you have to do is cooperate. The attacker will take your wallet, your car keys, whatever, and leave you alone. Just wait, do what he says, and everything will be okay. That's what most people who are attacked tell themselves -- and in most cases, that is exactly what people should do. Even if you are armed, why kill someone if you don't have to? It's only stuff...
But while waiting for an opening and cooperating with the attacker might be the best strategy in many situations, there are a few very specific situations where waiting and cooperating are the worst things the victim can possibly do.
A woman forced into a car by an attacker, for instance, has a 95% or higher chance of getting killed if she complies. Even if it seems highly likely the attacker will kill her right there if she doesn't get in the car, the fact is that right at that moment, the odds are the very best they will ever be for her. They are still lousy odds, but they aren't going to get any better. So I have decided, in advance, that if I'm ever in that situation, that's when and where I will fight back no matter what my frozen brain and in-denial guts are telling me.
Similarly, a man forced into a back room on his knees, with his back to the attacker, has just been put into the execution position. Most of the time, when someone is forced into this position, what comes next is a bullet in the back of the skull. Once you are on your knees, you don't have any more choices even if you suddenly realize what is about to happen. If you're going to save your own life, you have to make the choice to fight back before you're on your knees. You have to have a decision point before that happens, one that even your frozen brain can understand.
So the purpose of analyzing this stuff beforehand is to make sure that even my frozen brain and my in-denial guts cannot lull me into cooperating in the extreme places where a victim really needs to fight if they are going to survive. Because I've thought about this stuff in advance, if something like it ever happens, even my frozen brain will have a definite decision point.
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JMusic
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Pax I actually thought that it started out as a great thread, so NO not intended toward you. I think it is a very noble intention indeed. One I agree with. My comments are aimed at some of the statements on the last few pages. Specifically insurrection.
Pax you are dead on about this can't happen to me syndrom. While working LE I was a plainclothes officer the majority of the time. I have story after story I could tell about being confronted by BG's. The thought that was most profound was "This can happen to anyone!" Plus " This is how it happens to people." While they were not sucessful they would have been with Joe or Mary citizen the majority of the time. God only knows what they would have done! Those thought's angered me the most. Upon leaving LE I have on a few occasions have the same thing happen. Without awareness and a plan already worked out they may , hell they would have been sucessful. These people can see it in your eyes that there is easier prey elsewhere and thats where they head.
Jim
Pax you are dead on about this can't happen to me syndrom. While working LE I was a plainclothes officer the majority of the time. I have story after story I could tell about being confronted by BG's. The thought that was most profound was "This can happen to anyone!" Plus " This is how it happens to people." While they were not sucessful they would have been with Joe or Mary citizen the majority of the time. God only knows what they would have done! Those thought's angered me the most. Upon leaving LE I have on a few occasions have the same thing happen. Without awareness and a plan already worked out they may , hell they would have been sucessful. These people can see it in your eyes that there is easier prey elsewhere and thats where they head.
Jim
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308win
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I agree that members of this forum should be more careful about the content of their posts as it is now public information and can be used to prove any point immaginable. However, I don't agree with the insurection comment as I can assure you that if I am ever impaneled on a jury hearing a firearms right case the defendant is probably either going to get a hung jury or a unanimous acquital.jmusic said:
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