Dog Soldier
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The Lyman rifles are among the better imports. I have fired the flint lock version. They are slow do to the poor quality vents. I am sure by installing a Chamber's Lightning vent in the Lyman would make it a better flintier.
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DD4lifeusmc
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Granted this was quite a few years ago when I was younger and steadier.
Was living in Rock springs Wyoming. This was 1978 maybe up to 1980.
We could drive anywhere outside the city limits and basically shoot all we wanted.
there was one area just outside the limits that had been turned into a make shift shooting range.
this was using my 50 cal CVA Mountain rifle
approximately 100 yds out ( never measured, but stepped off) was a scub oak/ junpier tree.
I used to hang a 12 inch diameter steel gong from it ( was tired of all the walking to confirm a paper hit).
I figured if I hit it consistently I would be inside the kill zone of pronghorn, mule deer, and elk.
I hit it consistently, offhand, kneeling, prone.
Since then have never been much into paper targets,except with a new gun, to get on paper.
Once on paper, I use the gong or with my pistols, a chunk of 4x4 about 8" long mounted on end on piece of rebar. sets between waist and chest high. Or sometimes an old coffee can
such as this one from a couple years ago.
Look at first picture how many bullet holes do you see look carefully
Now look at the second picture count the holes
this was sitting on ground, about 20 yds out one handed standing.
this was 5.5" remington BP 44 cal conical bullets
Was living in Rock springs Wyoming. This was 1978 maybe up to 1980.
We could drive anywhere outside the city limits and basically shoot all we wanted.
there was one area just outside the limits that had been turned into a make shift shooting range.
this was using my 50 cal CVA Mountain rifle
approximately 100 yds out ( never measured, but stepped off) was a scub oak/ junpier tree.
I used to hang a 12 inch diameter steel gong from it ( was tired of all the walking to confirm a paper hit).
I figured if I hit it consistently I would be inside the kill zone of pronghorn, mule deer, and elk.
I hit it consistently, offhand, kneeling, prone.
Since then have never been much into paper targets,except with a new gun, to get on paper.
Once on paper, I use the gong or with my pistols, a chunk of 4x4 about 8" long mounted on end on piece of rebar. sets between waist and chest high. Or sometimes an old coffee can
such as this one from a couple years ago.
Look at first picture how many bullet holes do you see look carefully
Now look at the second picture count the holes
this was sitting on ground, about 20 yds out one handed standing.
this was 5.5" remington BP 44 cal conical bullets
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Dog Soldier
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Yes, I have shot in that same spot many times. we used that to shoot combat matches in the 1970-1980 era. It is still public lands and you can use it. Rock Springs does have a modern shooting range near town. I went to the Rock Springs gun show last week-end. My place is 125 miles west next town over.
DD4lifeusmc
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would that be Evanston? or Ft Bridger or maybe across state line around coalville(sp) our shooting area was north and east of town probably not even a 1/2 mile out, just drove off the left side of road, down a short incline and large flat area. No berms or tables nothing. Most shot across the hood of truck or just off hand..Yes, I have shot in that same spot many times. we used that to shoot combat matches in the 1970-1980 era. It is still public lands and you can use it. Rock Springs does have a modern shooting range near town. I went to the Rock Springs gun show last week-end. My place is 125 miles west next town over.
Sometimes we'd go out north along white mountain, about 10 miles and shoot at abandoned cars and such.
Sometimes go out to boars tusk, then head east towards tri territory marker and red desert and shifting dunes.
It was nice back then, being able to shoot just about anywhere you wanted.
I tried 100 gr 2fg in the rifle once, caused a minor surface split at heel of tang. pried open with a small screwdriver, loaded it with glue. Then clamped it down tight. Still no bigger after 30 + years.
Dog Soldier
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Nothing has changed. They still shoot North of I-80 in the desert between Rock Springs and Green River. we can still shoot any where as it is mostly public lands. The Red Desert is big and is unfenced public lands. The Tri-Territory Marker area is the same.
Muzzle loader or modern rifles not properly bedded will be damaged under recoil. This is an indication the rifle was binding or loose in the stock. The proper tangs on muzzle loaders were and are long and narrow. This was not for looks. It allow the stress to be distributed in a narrow channel not one wide short area causing a wedge effect. Properly built BP rifles are the result of 400 years of experience.
Muzzle loader or modern rifles not properly bedded will be damaged under recoil. This is an indication the rifle was binding or loose in the stock. The proper tangs on muzzle loaders were and are long and narrow. This was not for looks. It allow the stress to be distributed in a narrow channel not one wide short area causing a wedge effect. Properly built BP rifles are the result of 400 years of experience.
DD4lifeusmc
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well It is neither loose or binding. It was a kit gun and care was taken to smooth down the pinch points in the inletting.
When installing the double wedges, you must grip the barrel to the stock with firm pressure and the tang is tight.
I have to assume it was just one of those things that happen. I was 10 gr over the recommendation. So one of those things.
Over all though I'd never sell this gun. It shoots too good. it's favorite load is between 80 and 85 gr 2fg.
It has brought home plenty of Antelope and Muleys over the years. Took a couple of elk too.
When installing the double wedges, you must grip the barrel to the stock with firm pressure and the tang is tight.
I have to assume it was just one of those things that happen. I was 10 gr over the recommendation. So one of those things.
Over all though I'd never sell this gun. It shoots too good. it's favorite load is between 80 and 85 gr 2fg.
It has brought home plenty of Antelope and Muleys over the years. Took a couple of elk too.
midland man
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I tried emailing tvm about the twist rate of their 32,36 caliber of barrels but never got an answer!
Crawdad1
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That's not unusual considering how small that shop is and how busy they are.
Armored farmer
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Midland,
My .32 squirrel rifle is a dirty shooter. My buddy has a .36 that shoots much cleaner.
Just an observation, not necessarily fact. If you're choosing between the two calibers, I would go .36.
My .32 squirrel rifle is a dirty shooter. My buddy has a .36 that shoots much cleaner.
Just an observation, not necessarily fact. If you're choosing between the two calibers, I would go .36.
Dog Soldier
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You may choose the brand of barrels you want. I would recommend the Rice barrels. You check your barrels and then discuss that when you place your order. Inquire with Matt about installing a swamped barrel if you are ordering a flint lock. For a small caliber look at the 15/16" barrels.
http://ricebarrels.com/
midland man
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so whats your thoughts about david pedersoli guns??
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Panzerschwein
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Going to have a custom .
That's what I'm going with for my custom. Jackie Brown will be making mine. It will have a maple stock, 38" barrel, Durs Egg percussion lock, single trigger, browned iron mounted. A simple Southern mountain squirrel rifle. I decided to go with a .36 for versatility, able to handle up to and including coyotes to a range of 100 yards, and easier to load after a few shots and less fiddly to load. Can even be used on deer at close range in some states or during a survival situation. Also, Hornady sells bulk 000 buckshot that mikes at a consistent .350 which is perfect for a .36 rifle by all account of those who've done it, and they cost only 4 cents each. Everything I have read points to the .36 as a better all around rifle.
That's what I'm going with for my custom. Jackie Brown will be making mine. It will have a maple stock, 38" barrel, Durs Egg percussion lock, single trigger, browned iron mounted. A simple Southern mountain squirrel rifle. I decided to go with a .36 for versatility, able to handle up to and including coyotes to a range of 100 yards, and easier to load after a few shots and less fiddly to load. Can even be used on deer at close range in some states or during a survival situation. Also, Hornady sells bulk 000 buckshot that mikes at a consistent .350 which is perfect for a .36 rifle by all account of those who've done it, and they cost only 4 cents each. Everything I have read points to the .36 as a better all around rifle.
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DD4lifeusmc
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Have only owned one of his a 1859 Sharps calvary.
Good quality shoots well.
But overall his prices do seem to be a tad high. But then again you do get what you pay for.
Good quality shoots well.
But overall his prices do seem to be a tad high. But then again you do get what you pay for.
I love Pedersoli firearms. Before I built my TOTW Jaeger kit I had the Pedersoli .54 Jaeger with both percussion and flint locks. Shot the percussion one day and then tried the flint lock. I've never gone back to percussion muzzle loaders since. I still miss that Pedersoli Jaeger! I'm jonesing for the .54 Pedersoli mountain rifle. That's one cap lock I would like to have.
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Panzerschwein
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He shot me a very fair quote from my research. I've read he's a good one.
Dog Soldier
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I don't own a DPS Muzzle loader. There are guys on here like Eastbank that know guns and he approves of the DPS line. That would be good enough for me.
midland man
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that's the company who makes that 12g Mortimer shotgun I wantI don't own a DPS Muzzle loader. There are guys on here like Eastbank that know guns and he approves of the DPS line. That would be good enough for me.
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I've ordered a DPS kit but have no experience with either brand. Having said that, the same research that lead me to my DPS purchase would have also had me happy with a lyman GPR caplock for a season stretcher and wall hanger.
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Oddly enough, my 'dream cabinet' would have three small game guns, a .45 flinter, a .36 caplock, and a 13.25" pull 28 gauge smooth rifle with a small siler flint lock and 28" or less bbl. Now that would keep me out of the woods as I stared drooling over which one to grab as some squirrel barks in the background....
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Sounds like a plan. I can't wait to get my .36 squirreler.
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Do it yourself.
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cooldill does Jackie brown have a website?
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Panzerschwein
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Not that I know of.
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so how do I get ahold of them, and is their pricing reasonable?
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Panzerschwein
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Honestly I would do your research first. I did some digging and it seems some people have had... issues... with him, to say the least. I think I'm going to be finding a different builder for my squirrel rifle.
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