chris in va
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I'm with you. This ammo hoarding/buying craze has got to stop. Getting ridiculous.
Please, God, Make It Stop!
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How many of you are making constant trips to the range to shoot up all that scarce ammo that you stocked up on when it was cheap and then complain that you can't find any more at those same cheap prices? If so, I don’t feel a bit sorry for you; and, you better adopt a different mindset soon. Because, it just may come to pass very soon that every round you foolishly burned up on the range screwing around and having fun, now may be ammo you regret having wasted when the time comes that you really need it to protect yourself or your family. Alan Keyes says that civil war is coming soon. Maybe he's right!
However, I agree that lots of folks who just took up firearms need to train. But, there are lots and lots of people who shoot just for the fun of it. That's fine if they can pay the higher prices for ammo as the shortages drive up prices. But, I'll be damned if I'm going to feel sorry for them because prices went up and now they can't burn ammo like they used to or even find it.
However, I agree that lots of folks who just took up firearms need to train. But, there are lots and lots of people who shoot just for the fun of it. That's fine if they can pay the higher prices for ammo as the shortages drive up prices. But, I'll be damned if I'm going to feel sorry for them because prices went up and now they can't burn ammo like they used to or even find it.
Pessimistic but possible
My only concern is the panic buyers now aren't really trying to become shooters, they're making an investment for something they think will be more valuable in the future. For those people, it makes economic sense to support a future AWB. I don't think we can count on all the new buyers being allies. People vote their wallets and the only way they can justify that 1500 dollar AR15 is to make it that valuable by eliminating the future supply.
My only concern is the panic buyers now aren't really trying to become shooters, they're making an investment for something they think will be more valuable in the future. For those people, it makes economic sense to support a future AWB. I don't think we can count on all the new buyers being allies. People vote their wallets and the only way they can justify that 1500 dollar AR15 is to make it that valuable by eliminating the future supply.
Too lazy to read this whole thing, but you know, even if none of these panic buyers will fight for their rights, even if every single one is planning on turning around and selling the gun, just the plain, simple fact that "assault weapon" sales shot up by a bajillion percent (especially with this economic downturn, and so few people able to afford something like that) will send a message to the White House. If nothing else, it does say "we will own these things, come hell or high water."
john1911
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So, to summarize; people shouldn't be buying guns because you can't find components?
jnyork
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Question: When does it stop being prudence and start being panic? Just askin'.
Lone_Gunman
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I disagree. More gun owners is not necessarily better. Most of these people involved in the gun buying panic right now are people who fall into one of two categories:
1. They failed to prepare for the Democratic takeover, which was obviously coming. These are not necessarily bad people, just stupid enough to fail to prepare.
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2. They actually voted for Democrats, knowing full well they were gun grabbers. Then they selfishly went down and bought guns they thought would be banned by the very people they voted for, so they would have one for themselves. As long as they get what they want, they don't care what happens to others, or even their own progeny. These people are dispicable.
I think people have have the right to own, sell an stock up on as much stuff as they like, they have a right to shoot, or not to shoot. ...its part of our freedom. If someone buys all the ammo, an I have to wait...its not a crime...buy if your in a panic, or buy for your passion, buy to hunt, ....I don't see why this should be getting anyone upset..I shoot my AR, my friend just bought one an says he'll never shoot it, just wanted to have one an someday he might sell an make some money....thats his right...
So your right to a gun, ammo, reloading equipment is more important than my right because?
When you talk about more gun owners being better or not being better, you mean better for you. What's better for you should influence my decision on what to buy because?
When you talk about more gun owners being better or not being better, you mean better for you. What's better for you should influence my decision on what to buy because?
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I don't really buy that. For example, I know several people that own guns, including a family member, that really has no strong feelings about the 2nd amendment at all and wouldn't complain much if their rights were taken from them.
Bingo. That's what I'm getting at.
Buy all of the guns you want at the inflated prices. That doesn't bother me a bit. But all of the people that are stockpiling items in order to profit from the shortage that they have created can choke on said items.
Prudence is before the gun grabbers take control, panic is after.
Be careful. If you are not an FFL, I believe it is illegal to buy and then sell guns for a profit.
I never said I had anymore rights than you. Read it again. I said that I was tired of the panic buying, especially by the profiteers.
UnclePete
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Too right. Shooting as a small minority sport is easy to knock down.
Poper
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Ummm. I believe so. Seems to me, when you buy a gun with the intention to resell at a profit, that is the essence and maybe the definition of a "dealer".
Last time I checked, BATFE frowns on unlicensed dealers...
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To add a little fuel to the fire, I was at the range today to shoot the bull a little with the guys that work there. I was told that a corporate decision had been made to double the yearly range membership fee. This will take place in a couple of weeks. The hourly rate is also going from $10 to $20 an hour. My membership was due so I got in at the lower rate this year. No one is allowed to shoot for more than an hour and they may go so far as to make you make an appointment to get in. 
I really hope everyone that has taken part in the panic turns out to be great advocates for shooters everywhere. That would make the temporary pain worth it. Time will tell.
I really hope everyone that has taken part in the panic turns out to be great advocates for shooters everywhere. That would make the temporary pain worth it. Time will tell.
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Officers'Wife
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Hi Phydeaux,
Try looking in the long term for a moment. Increased demand = increased profitability = more manufacturing. So in a few months there will be a greater supply. However, we are in the middle of a recession that is likely to be worsened by current policy. When the unemployment gets up high enough desperate people will put even more used product on the market. I expect to see firearms and accessories to be one of bigger victims of a mismanaged economy.
Try looking in the long term for a moment. Increased demand = increased profitability = more manufacturing. So in a few months there will be a greater supply. However, we are in the middle of a recession that is likely to be worsened by current policy. When the unemployment gets up high enough desperate people will put even more used product on the market. I expect to see firearms and accessories to be one of bigger victims of a mismanaged economy.
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I see Phydeaux's viewpoint - it is a very short journey from rugged individualist to solitary survivalist. Now don't get me wrong, you have an American right to become that solitary person. But if you are content to do that, quit preaching to me about the virginity of the second amendment because that amendment visualized an armed citizenry banded together to preserve a country with a way of life never before achieved. That amendment concept is molested every time we step back with an attitude of "I got my stash of ammo and all you newbies needed to have been as smart as I have been." Again, your right and your privilege - but the less said about it, the better off we are as a group.
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No problems here. But I'd been stocking up on ammo and guns for years.
I think it's kinda twisted that JUST when the BHO election frenzy was about to die down, Eric Holder makes the asinine statements about a new so-called "AWB", and American gun shows being responsible for Mexican drug gang killings. Frenzy renewed/exacerbated!! Then, just when that was about to die down, the shootings in Germany and Alabama happened back to back, rejuvenating Brady and others calling for a new so-called "AWB". Frenzy renewed/exacerbated!!
The gun industry has a lot of thank you cards to send out to BHO & staff, and the Brady Bunch.
I don't have any problem with the frenzy. I'm finding almost as many deals as before because of the economy, I think, balancing out the frenzy. Even if I wasn't, not being able to justify spending money is a good thing. I think it's mighty good to get new people into the sport, if it's having that effect, and I think it is to an extent. It's also getting existing gun owners to by EBRs, and when they buy EBRs, they become endeared to their EBRs, and when they become endeared to their EBRs, they transition from a FUDD to someone who will actually add their voice to the fight against the ban-crazy nonsense floating about right now.
SouthernRebel, very well said!!!
I think it's kinda twisted that JUST when the BHO election frenzy was about to die down, Eric Holder makes the asinine statements about a new so-called "AWB", and American gun shows being responsible for Mexican drug gang killings. Frenzy renewed/exacerbated!! Then, just when that was about to die down, the shootings in Germany and Alabama happened back to back, rejuvenating Brady and others calling for a new so-called "AWB". Frenzy renewed/exacerbated!!
The gun industry has a lot of thank you cards to send out to BHO & staff, and the Brady Bunch.
I don't have any problem with the frenzy. I'm finding almost as many deals as before because of the economy, I think, balancing out the frenzy. Even if I wasn't, not being able to justify spending money is a good thing. I think it's mighty good to get new people into the sport, if it's having that effect, and I think it is to an extent. It's also getting existing gun owners to by EBRs, and when they buy EBRs, they become endeared to their EBRs, and when they become endeared to their EBRs, they transition from a FUDD to someone who will actually add their voice to the fight against the ban-crazy nonsense floating about right now.
SouthernRebel, very well said!!!
MountainBear
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I think great deals can still be had for guns, and will be for the foreseeable future as all the panic buyers start selling. However, two things bother me.
First, gun owners are losing their guns. Now some of these probably never should have had them in the first place, but others are good, decent, hard-working Americans trying to survive in a situation that may or may not be their fault. I get deals because of them, but it makes me sad. I've had to sell guns before to sell bills. If you never have, you'll never understand.
Two, even if I do take advantage of these good deals, I can't shoot them. No one is selling ammo in stores, and those selling ammo used are selling it for inflated prices that would have got them laughed at last year. And I'm not even talking about EBR ammo (7.62x51,39 and 5.56), I saw a guy at a gunshow selling 100 round walmart value packs of 9mm for something like 45$ a box. If my memory serves me correct, the last one I bought there late last year (before I gave up on walmart, a story for a different time) cost me between 19$ and 25$. That may be capitalism, but its sucks to see gun guys gouging fellow gun guys.
First, gun owners are losing their guns. Now some of these probably never should have had them in the first place, but others are good, decent, hard-working Americans trying to survive in a situation that may or may not be their fault. I get deals because of them, but it makes me sad. I've had to sell guns before to sell bills. If you never have, you'll never understand.
Two, even if I do take advantage of these good deals, I can't shoot them. No one is selling ammo in stores, and those selling ammo used are selling it for inflated prices that would have got them laughed at last year. And I'm not even talking about EBR ammo (7.62x51,39 and 5.56), I saw a guy at a gunshow selling 100 round walmart value packs of 9mm for something like 45$ a box. If my memory serves me correct, the last one I bought there late last year (before I gave up on walmart, a story for a different time) cost me between 19$ and 25$. That may be capitalism, but its sucks to see gun guys gouging fellow gun guys.
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Well, I have recently read that many of the ammo manufacturers are not ramping up too much to meet this demand. I assume they feel that the bubble will soon burst and a warehouse full of ammo would not be a good thing.
That's what really bothers me the most. I've got a stash of 9mm that I could make a tidy profit on, but I would never consider doing it.
Whoa, Nellie!!
Just joined the forum half hour ago. Introduced myself. Suddenly in the thick of it. Front line combat with no Boot Camp
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I saw the writing on the wall several years ago. Started buying weapons and ammo at that time. Shot up most of the ammo I bought. I now have a few hundred rounds for each of my weapons. Don't know if that's really stockpiling? Especially when I talk to people that casually mention their thousands of rounds. I gues I'm looking at it with the Boy Scout frame of mind(Be Prepared). '
'Panic' buyers do contribute to the economy, and depending on what the economy does from here, there may be good deals or just a well armed populace. As with any new endeavor that most of us have ventured in to, some things we're still very engaged in, while other things take up the bottom of the closet, part of the attic, basement, or garage. If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it sticks. There will be new enthusiasts, new RKBA supporters, new deals, new friends, and new stories to tell our grandkids.
Over the past 10 to 15 years there has been an upswing in gun ownership. CHL statutes in most of the states has helped. More gun shows and word of mouth has helped.
A couple of things that can help in the future, especially with legislation, are things I've picked up from gunlaws.com. The word "ASSAULT" is a type of behavior, not a type of weapon. There is NO such thing as "HI CAP" magazines, only normal capacity magazines. I see these two offenses at every gun show I go to. If you want to stop 'Panic' and 'Madness' start with these two items.
Thanks
Just joined the forum half hour ago. Introduced myself. Suddenly in the thick of it. Front line combat with no Boot Camp
. I saw the writing on the wall several years ago. Started buying weapons and ammo at that time. Shot up most of the ammo I bought. I now have a few hundred rounds for each of my weapons. Don't know if that's really stockpiling? Especially when I talk to people that casually mention their thousands of rounds. I gues I'm looking at it with the Boy Scout frame of mind(Be Prepared). '
'Panic' buyers do contribute to the economy, and depending on what the economy does from here, there may be good deals or just a well armed populace. As with any new endeavor that most of us have ventured in to, some things we're still very engaged in, while other things take up the bottom of the closet, part of the attic, basement, or garage. If you throw enough spaghetti against the wall, some of it sticks. There will be new enthusiasts, new RKBA supporters, new deals, new friends, and new stories to tell our grandkids.
Over the past 10 to 15 years there has been an upswing in gun ownership. CHL statutes in most of the states has helped. More gun shows and word of mouth has helped.
A couple of things that can help in the future, especially with legislation, are things I've picked up from gunlaws.com. The word "ASSAULT" is a type of behavior, not a type of weapon. There is NO such thing as "HI CAP" magazines, only normal capacity magazines. I see these two offenses at every gun show I go to. If you want to stop 'Panic' and 'Madness' start with these two items.
Thanks
Lone_Gunman
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Do you also think that Colt SAA's that sold new 100 years ago for $50 should still be only sold for $50???
MountainBear
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No, but I doubt people bought them with the idea of stashing them away and making a killing (figuratively speaking) by selling them when a politician told colt they couldn't sell them anymore.
Wesson Smith
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I'll have to agree with the OP, to some degree. The panic seems to have
rolled along unabated since October of last year, and shows no appreciable
signs of slowing down, at least in my neck of the woods. I can no longer
go to my two local dealers for a pleasant hour or two of perusing (and possibly
purchasing) a decently priced firearm. Both stores are packed to the walls
80% of the time, and the guys who work there no longer have the time
to wait on loyal customers properly. They're the first to admit that, and most
of them don't like it one bit. The owner of one of the shops told me that
he's almost at the point where he no longer enjoys being in the business,
and says that the extra money his business is making is almost not worth
the hassle. Like most of us here, I have a great love for the shooting sports,
and that will never change, but personally my patience is being sorely tested.
And range sessions are a whole other can of worms. These panic buyers
of course want to try out their new purchases. The lines and the wait at
the public ranges in my area are unbearable. I have a membership at a
private club, but it's almost an hour's drive from my home, so shooting
at a local public range used to be a viable alternative. Not anymore.
I just quit going, at least until this craziness subsides. I try to make
the trip to the private range once a week just to keep my skills honed,
but with a busy schedule, that's not always possible.
I try to remain semi-optimistic. As others have pointed out, this too
shall pass. At least I hope so. For now, I find it to be nothing but
an irritating, major pain in the arse.
Ok...I'm done venting. I'll probably catch some flak regarding my
"whining", but c'est la vie.
rolled along unabated since October of last year, and shows no appreciable
signs of slowing down, at least in my neck of the woods. I can no longer
go to my two local dealers for a pleasant hour or two of perusing (and possibly
purchasing) a decently priced firearm. Both stores are packed to the walls
80% of the time, and the guys who work there no longer have the time
to wait on loyal customers properly. They're the first to admit that, and most
of them don't like it one bit. The owner of one of the shops told me that
he's almost at the point where he no longer enjoys being in the business,
and says that the extra money his business is making is almost not worth
the hassle. Like most of us here, I have a great love for the shooting sports,
and that will never change, but personally my patience is being sorely tested.
And range sessions are a whole other can of worms. These panic buyers
of course want to try out their new purchases. The lines and the wait at
the public ranges in my area are unbearable. I have a membership at a
private club, but it's almost an hour's drive from my home, so shooting
at a local public range used to be a viable alternative. Not anymore.
I just quit going, at least until this craziness subsides. I try to make
the trip to the private range once a week just to keep my skills honed,
but with a busy schedule, that's not always possible.
I try to remain semi-optimistic. As others have pointed out, this too
shall pass. At least I hope so. For now, I find it to be nothing but
an irritating, major pain in the arse.
Ok...I'm done venting. I'll probably catch some flak regarding my
"whining", but c'est la vie.
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