Please, God, Make It Stop!

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I think people have have the right to own, sell an stock up on as much stuff as they like, they have a right to shoot, or not to shoot. ...its part of our freedom. If someone buys all the ammo, an I have to wait...its not a crime...buy if your in a panic, or buy for your passion, buy to hunt, ....I don't see why this should be getting anyone upset..I shoot my AR, my friend just bought one an says he'll never shoot it, just wanted to have one an someday he might sell an make some money....thats his right...
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How dare you inject logic into here.
 
I try to remain semi-optimistic. As others have pointed out, this too shall pass. At least I hope so. For now, I find it to be nothing but an irritating, major pain in the arse.
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Yeah, having all these new shooters in our ranks is really terrible. I sure liked the sport a lot better when there were fewer of us and supplies were better. Who cares if we were more easily marginalized because we were lesser in numbers? WallWorld had great stocks of cheap WWB! That's all that matters, isn't it?

<sigh>

Y'all really need to get a grip. Given the number of new shooters we've gained, you should be pleased that we are potentially a much more potent political block. Instead of sitting around crying "OH NOES!" , perhaps you should be spending some extra time at the range and in the stores to pass along some tips and help to the FNGs. Maybe even invite them to THR to further their gun knowledge and introduce them to the RKBA fight. That's what I've been doing, and it both feels good and seems to be resonating with those with whom I talk.

These panic buyers of course want to try out their new purchases. The lines and the wait at the public ranges in my area are unbearable.
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This has been my experience as well. That tells me that a significant number of these 'gun run' purchasers aren't speculative purchasers - they really *do* want to have a gun and the election pushed them over the top.

So make a point of reaching out to them instead of sitting behind a keyboard and griping.

Please.

We need the new blood to keep the sport alive. Y'all have the ability to either marginalize these new folk with your attitude, or bring them into the fold.
 
Oh, well. I like to think I have a pretty good "grip" on things. It was merely my opinion, and I stand by it. Sheesh.
 
I remain skeptical that these new purchasers are truly "in our ranks," I hope they are, but I remain unconvinced. At Collector's last week, I had a conversation with someone filling out the paperwork to buy an M82 .50 that went like this:

Me: That's an amazing weapon, where are you going to shoot it? I hear American will allow .50s
Him: Oh, I'm not going to shoot it. I'm going to hold on to it until it's banned, and then sell it for more.
Me: [dumbfounded]

Do you think this person will stand with us to oppose a new AWB? I don't. Do you think this person will oppose a ban on .50s because it's an arbitrary restriction on caliber? No, he'll support the ban because it will drive the value of his investment up. I hope he's in the minority, but I haven't seen an increase in the number of people at the local range.

I fully support everyone's right to buy as much of whatever they can afford. I hope everyone here also supports my right to question whether or not these same buyers are, in fact, our allies. It's more important now than ever to try to get people out to enjoy shooting. All these new owners are of no value to us if they won't support the rights of future gun owners now that "they've got theirs."
 
My local shop sells all the guns he can get at below MSRP, for some of us he will do a cost plus 10% special order, He had 1 name brand AR/M4 varient and a couple of AK varients on the rack along with th usual selection of usual stuff you find in a small gun/pawn shop.
Ammo is a little thin but he has never tried to match wally world, he had several Federal bulk packs of .22lr on his shelf Saturday afternoon along with a couple of cases of wolf 7.62X39 and some wolf .223. The shop in the next town where I buy most of my reloading supplies has an ample supply of powder and primers and has not raised prices above the normal annual inflationary increases we have seen for years.
The local wallyworld is thin on ammo but it is starting to get better, not as much empty space on the shelves as there was a month ago.
 
A young guy who works for me went out a bought a gun for the very reason of worrying that the'd be hard to get. He got a nice new Sigma 9mm (VE or whatever the new models are called) that he really likes and takes care of like you wouldn't believe. He has put in a lot of time on the range with his roomate learning how to shoot this gun well. This guy was raised right, is very responsible, very smart, and is an asset to the gun owning community.

So we are picking up some good new gun owners. I gotta be honest...I am shooting less for a couple of reasons. 1) My wife has fallen out with her parents who live in the country so I am short one private shooting range, and 2) Ammo is hard to find and dear when you find it so, no, I don't want to shoot it all up if I cannot replace it. But I am not panicking. When gas was $4 a gallon a drove less and today it is $1.75...so I am driving more again. With luck, even if the price does not come down, the supply of ammo will pick up again.

As far as prices in general, the last ammo I bought was Speer Gold Dot Self Defense ammo, 50 rounds per box for $29.95. Bought 8 boxes and they had a lot more left. That is a heck of a deal. They guy could charge more but he didn't. He does charge way too much for his used guns though.

It is a market economy man.
 
Y'all really need to get a grip. Given the number of new shooters we've gained, you should be pleased that we are potentially a much more potent political block.
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Let's wait and see how the ranks of the NRA stand in a year. My guess is the membership won't grow much because only "gun nuts" join groups like that. As I stated elsewhere, my mom owns three handguns and couldn't care less about gun rights.
 
The buying in multiples (more than before the Nov. election) has a catch-up effect, now we're seeing empty shelves or store displays.:banghead:
 
"in our ranks,"
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Sounds like some people believe that they are more entiled than others, or have more experience or more forum posts etc,etc...

No matter what modivates people to jump into action and rush to the gun stores, they have the same RIGHTS as any one, to buy and own as many/much as they want.

Should they be rationed on what they can buy, where they can go to shoot. Maybe we should set up a governing system to make sure none of the un-ranked get out of line and bother any of the elite.

Is what is happening bothersome, yes! But I believe it to be right.
 
Is what is happening bothersome, yes! But I believe it to be right.
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Well, when a box of .38s, 9mm, etc. are running $40-$50 a box we'll see how much everyone likes them apples.
 
Y'all really need to get a grip. Given the number of new shooters we've gained, you should be pleased that we are potentially a much more potent political block. Instead of sitting around crying "OH NOES!" , perhaps you should be spending some extra time at the range and in the stores to pass along some tips and help to the FNGs.
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I'd love to go to the range and help all these new shooters. That would be really cool. I am all for having new people swell our ranks. But I have no ammo to shoot, so why bother going to the range? Sitting and watching everyone else have fun is torture.

Not sure the new shooters are the ones panic buying all the ammo. I think its our own beloved brethren. But hey as long as you get yours, screw everyone else, right? Wow, when did we become liberals?

And I wouldn't worry about my grip if I were you, I still think I know how to hold my guns (I just can't remember what .45ACP recoil feels like). :rolleyes:
 
Well, the DODs little stunt with the scrap 223 and 308 brass last week sure won't help on the long gun side of things.....:banghead:
 
It will help because they'll still sell the scrapped, shredded brass. Those of you shooting EBR's in .308 or .223 may not have as much remanufactured to shoot, but the rest of the industry should see an increase in brass (raw material) availability. I just love a little optimism in the morning...
 
Yeah, but-:D

1. That's IF it doesn't go straight to China.

2. New brass case vs. used = higher prices.

Ah, pessimism in the morning.

We have achived balance Grasshopper.
 
I am becoming very tired of listening to those of you who can no longer get what they want at a drop of the hat, yeah getting supplies is tough now.

But, I can still find what I need, it takes a little more work, but it's out there.
Hopefully the newbies will remain serious about the guns and ammunition, and reloading supplies they are buying and they will join those organizations that support and defend what we believe in, even if only 25% do we now have a greater number than we had previously, that can only benefit us.

The real problem here is the manufacturers, they are not producing to demand, and that is because of all of the new fangled manufacturing ideals that the US and other countries have developed from watching the Japanese take over the as the manufacturers of the century, You know JIT, Zero Inventory, and the worst of all 6 Sigma, these are dictating to the manufacturers what they do and how they respond to what they see as a temporary change in market conditions. Bitch to them not your local Sports Shop. This is simply a case of supply and demand, and in the long run it will even out.

I can guarantee you the the manufacturers are looking for a saturation point where normal demand will return to levels attainable by normal levels of manufacturing.

Piss and moan all you want to, but this in the broader sense a great development for gun owners, the more we are the less likely the Government will take our rights away from us. It would not be conducive to reelection.
 
Hopefully the newbies will remain serious about the guns and ammunition, and reloading supplies they are buying and they will join those organizations that support and defend what we believe in, even if only 25% do we now have a greater number than we had previously, that can only benefit us.
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I do not think the newbies will remain serious about guns. I do not think they were serious to begin with. I think a lot of them voted for Obama, and then went out and bought themselves a gun so they would have what they wanted, without regard for what the Dems might do to restrict gun ownership.

If these people were dumb enough to vote for gun grabbers, then I don't think they are going to be too dedicated to preserving 2nd Amendment rights.
 
But hey as long as you get yours, screw everyone else, right? Wow, when did we become liberals?
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That remark makes no sense. 'Every man for themself' is a classic capitalist approach, as opposed to a communtarian or communistic approach that some of you seem to be advocating. Rationing and the notion of 'shares' is a strictly communal view, and aligns those that hold it with the socialist movement moreso than not.

But we're getting way off into an endless discussion comprised of back-n-forth bickering with no good end.

Enough.
 
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