jimbeaux82
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Several posters mentioned how heavy the PM9 or CM9 were in pocket carry. If you wear a proper holster belt, even with pocket carry, it helps distribite the load much better and is then not such a big issue.
PM9 pocket carry
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snooperman
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I also have tried to carry my PM9 in my pocket but always go back to my LCP. It is too heavy for me. The Rohrbaugh r9 is about as close to a pocket gun in 9mm as you can get and it is about 17 oz loaded which is not much different than the 18 oz PM9. Although the r9 is smaller in size too.When I carry the PM9 it is most often IWB holster or Unkle Mike's Belt pack.
This is kind of a re-post
I wondered too if I could carry a pocket nine around
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I carried 18 ounces of change around, to see how annoying it was or if it was doable. The R9 is expensive and I didn't want to plunk down that kind of money to find out I wasn't going to carry it as intended.
The R9 is 13.5 ounces empty
The magazine is 1.6 ounces
Fully loaded with seven rounds of 115gr ammo, my pistol weighs 17.8 ounces.
I got these measurements from actually weighing it on a scale.
One of the things I also wanted to be able to do is pocket carry in a business suit. The R9 makes it possible but I'll admit it is annoying in business slacks. Because the material of my business slacks is thin, and not as thick as jeans, it gets irritating while sitting down and having that pistol rubbing against my leg. But it is not so bad walking around.
One thing that I did find out is that I needed a good belt. I had a leather weave belt that I bought from Kohls and it just wasn't working as well as a belt could... I ended up getting a gun belt for my jeans and that improved things. My job is such now that I don't wear a suit very often anymore, but I'll eventually pickup something like a Beltman dress belt with the internal stiffener or something similar for my dress pants. The R9 and the PM9/CM9 are light pistols so it's possible to use a 1.25" belt with them, but I think I still want a belt with a polymer/Kydex/rigid core and tapered edges to prevent the core from cutting into the leather over time.
I wondered too if I could carry a pocket nine around
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I carried 18 ounces of change around, to see how annoying it was or if it was doable. The R9 is expensive and I didn't want to plunk down that kind of money to find out I wasn't going to carry it as intended.
The R9 is 13.5 ounces empty
The magazine is 1.6 ounces
Fully loaded with seven rounds of 115gr ammo, my pistol weighs 17.8 ounces.
I got these measurements from actually weighing it on a scale.
One of the things I also wanted to be able to do is pocket carry in a business suit. The R9 makes it possible but I'll admit it is annoying in business slacks. Because the material of my business slacks is thin, and not as thick as jeans, it gets irritating while sitting down and having that pistol rubbing against my leg. But it is not so bad walking around.
One thing that I did find out is that I needed a good belt. I had a leather weave belt that I bought from Kohls and it just wasn't working as well as a belt could... I ended up getting a gun belt for my jeans and that improved things. My job is such now that I don't wear a suit very often anymore, but I'll eventually pickup something like a Beltman dress belt with the internal stiffener or something similar for my dress pants. The R9 and the PM9/CM9 are light pistols so it's possible to use a 1.25" belt with them, but I think I still want a belt with a polymer/Kydex/rigid core and tapered edges to prevent the core from cutting into the leather over time.
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I am retired and dress casual when I go out. But at 73, I still like working around my farm and shoot 3 days a week at my range. While wearing work clothes I can pocket carry some and am thinking about getting the r9. I like fine guns. If I carry it gradually and enough , I might forget about the weight.
I pocket carry 100% of the time. S&W J Frame, Kahr PM9 and I even carry a Ruger SR9C in my pocket occassionally. People don't notice. If they do, they don't say anything. If someone ever did say anything, I would look at them funny and ask why they were checking out my junk.
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I have pocket carried the slightly larger PM45 almost everywhere for three years and haven't noticed any strange reactions or looks from others. I don't care about the bulge as long as the butt of the gun stays out of sight. For normal social circumstances the bulge is completely insignificant as long as no one can actually tell what it is.
I do have some pants and shorts where the pockets aren't deep enough to reliably cover the heel and only wear those when going OWB with a cover shirt.
I do have some pants and shorts where the pockets aren't deep enough to reliably cover the heel and only wear those when going OWB with a cover shirt.
Pocket carry for PM and CM9
The decision to carry a concealed firearm requires quite a bit of planning and consideration. Once, after due diligence and research, you have decided on the smallest caliber you are prepared to carry as insurance, you can go shopping for the gun.
The gun has to fit you. If you find the perfect 45 ACP that's the size of a pack of cigarrette's, you can bet it is a very concealable gun and in a very effective caliber. If you can't hold on to it, it is of no value to you as a CCW.
The easiest guns to carry and conceal are the mini-guns. The little .25 ACP's, the .32"s and .380's. They are diminuative in size and performance. They require careful shot placement and often so small that they are difficult to manipulate during a high stress situation. Yeah, they conceal easy but do they accomplish the job that prompted you to make the decision to carry a concealed handgun?
During my gunshow days, I used to have lots of young women come to my tables and fondle the small 25's and 32's that I had. They would comment on how cute they were and how well they would fit in their purses.
I would always try to discourage them from those types of guns and steer them toward a lightweight revolver. If I was unsuccessful in steering them away from the mouseguns, I almost always got their attention with the last comment I would make to them before I made the sale.
I would tell them to be sure to consider the cost of having the front sight milled off of their soon to be new mousegun . When asked why they would have to have the front sight removed, I would look them straight in the eye and tell them that once the front sight is gone and the bad guy takes their gun away from them and shoves it up their butt, it won't hurt so much! Rude and crude, yes, but in most cases, it struck home.
Getting back to the point, the decision to carry concealed to protect your family, friends and loved ones may also come with a requirement for a partial wardrobe change. The fact that a very good, reliable gun doesen't fit in your normal designer jeans without printing should not mean, abandoning the gun and moving to a smaller caliber. It could mean, buy a different style of jeans that have deeper pockets. (I have a few pair from that "Deluth Trading" company. They are normal in every respect except that they have deeper and larger pockets than most others.)
My decision to be armed at all times has led me down an expensive road of dozens of different handguns and hundreds of different holsters. I can usually come up with a combination that will allow me to go about my business without offending my community; at the same time affording me the opportunity to feel comfortable.
If you have been unable to glean anything out of this rant, let me make it simple. Carry the tool necessary to get the job done. If you need a big hammer, you better plan on purchasing and wearing some big overalls!
The decision to carry a concealed firearm requires quite a bit of planning and consideration. Once, after due diligence and research, you have decided on the smallest caliber you are prepared to carry as insurance, you can go shopping for the gun.
The gun has to fit you. If you find the perfect 45 ACP that's the size of a pack of cigarrette's, you can bet it is a very concealable gun and in a very effective caliber. If you can't hold on to it, it is of no value to you as a CCW.
The easiest guns to carry and conceal are the mini-guns. The little .25 ACP's, the .32"s and .380's. They are diminuative in size and performance. They require careful shot placement and often so small that they are difficult to manipulate during a high stress situation. Yeah, they conceal easy but do they accomplish the job that prompted you to make the decision to carry a concealed handgun?
During my gunshow days, I used to have lots of young women come to my tables and fondle the small 25's and 32's that I had. They would comment on how cute they were and how well they would fit in their purses.
I would always try to discourage them from those types of guns and steer them toward a lightweight revolver. If I was unsuccessful in steering them away from the mouseguns, I almost always got their attention with the last comment I would make to them before I made the sale.
I would tell them to be sure to consider the cost of having the front sight milled off of their soon to be new mousegun . When asked why they would have to have the front sight removed, I would look them straight in the eye and tell them that once the front sight is gone and the bad guy takes their gun away from them and shoves it up their butt, it won't hurt so much! Rude and crude, yes, but in most cases, it struck home.
Getting back to the point, the decision to carry concealed to protect your family, friends and loved ones may also come with a requirement for a partial wardrobe change. The fact that a very good, reliable gun doesen't fit in your normal designer jeans without printing should not mean, abandoning the gun and moving to a smaller caliber. It could mean, buy a different style of jeans that have deeper pockets. (I have a few pair from that "Deluth Trading" company. They are normal in every respect except that they have deeper and larger pockets than most others.)
My decision to be armed at all times has led me down an expensive road of dozens of different handguns and hundreds of different holsters. I can usually come up with a combination that will allow me to go about my business without offending my community; at the same time affording me the opportunity to feel comfortable.
If you have been unable to glean anything out of this rant, let me make it simple. Carry the tool necessary to get the job done. If you need a big hammer, you better plan on purchasing and wearing some big overalls!
Remora holsters were the solution to pocket carry for me. Since I switched to remora, and "sticky holsters" I can carry just about any small gun in my pocket. the weight distribution and ability to re-holster with Remora's design with whatever they use to keep it open make it ideal for me.I have even been able to use my Glock 26 with some pants.
Worse case scenario you can take it out and IWB it without worrying about it sliding out of your pants. I just can't go back to larger guns now because it has gotten so darn comfortable to carry this way. After 40 years of trying everything to hide my gun, this is what works for me. Also these, http://www.ccwbreakaways.com/. They work, even with a full size 1911. More pockets and 2 dedicated holsters, re-enforced on a yoke.I don't care how much junk you carry, these pants will take all your "stuff" with room to spare. It's like a clown car.
Worse case scenario you can take it out and IWB it without worrying about it sliding out of your pants. I just can't go back to larger guns now because it has gotten so darn comfortable to carry this way. After 40 years of trying everything to hide my gun, this is what works for me. Also these, http://www.ccwbreakaways.com/. They work, even with a full size 1911. More pockets and 2 dedicated holsters, re-enforced on a yoke.I don't care how much junk you carry, these pants will take all your "stuff" with room to spare. It's like a clown car.
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I have been carrying a PM9 in a DeSantis Nemesis, on and off (when I'm not carrying something larger) for almost nine years.
I honestly don't understand your issue. I am working on 60 y.o., 5'9", 145-150 lbs, and wear anything from moderately snug jeans to khakis. Never a problem.
Wore a pair of jeans all day today, with the PM9 in the RF pocket.
I honestly don't understand your issue. I am working on 60 y.o., 5'9", 145-150 lbs, and wear anything from moderately snug jeans to khakis. Never a problem.
Wore a pair of jeans all day today, with the PM9 in the RF pocket.
It will certainly appear to be buldgy in the pocket but its not as bad as you think. I've noticed that looking down a the pocket while carrying will obviously make it appear to be larger than it actually is. Do it for a couple of days and you'll get used to it.
Interesting Orionengn as I too own a PM9 and can only comfortably carry it with relaxed fitting pants.
By comfortably I mean that if the pocket the holstered pistol fits in causes a tight fit the pistol is quite hard to draw.
And then there is the printing issue of these less than relaxed fit pants with the heavier thicker PM9 vs my LCP.
Of course we both know the power difference as well as the shootabilty of these two pistols.
By comfortably I mean that if the pocket the holstered pistol fits in causes a tight fit the pistol is quite hard to draw.
And then there is the printing issue of these less than relaxed fit pants with the heavier thicker PM9 vs my LCP.
Of course we both know the power difference as well as the shootabilty of these two pistols.
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