"Polemanian" AK-47

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I have been kicking the can down the road for the last few months, trying to decide which AK to purchase.

Once upon a time (seems like a different life), I owned an Arsenal SAM-7 A1-R. In 2005 I paid around $900. Same rifle now sell in the $1600-$1900 range. OUCH!!! In 2009 I lost my job. The choice was...keep my rifle, or sell it and take care of my family. I sold my rifle.

I want another AK. Tops (and this pushing it), I have $600 to spend. Classic Arms has a mixed breed Polish/Romanian for sale at $549. Total with SH and FFL would run me around $585.

This AK appears to have a Radom made reciever, trunnion, and chrome lined barrell. The rest of the build seems to be from Romanian parts. Numbers obviously will not match. This is of little concern to me as long as it is a good, reliable shooter.

I really like the idea of a Polish made reciever and Pole made chrome lined barrell.

Anyone have personal experience with this rifle? $600 is the very top I can spend at this moment. I know some will say to try and save the "few" hundred more and purchase Arsenal again. That very well may not be possible. I am stretching on the $600, and will still have to act like I'm listening to the wife bitch.

Thanks
 
Okiegunner said:
I have been kicking the can down the road for the last few months, trying to decide which AK to purchase.

Once upon a time (seems like a different life), I owned an Arsenal SAM-7 A1-R. In 2005 I paid around $900. Same rifle now sell in the $1600-$1900 range. OUCH!!! In 2009 I lost my job. The choice was...keep my rifle, or sell it and take care of my family. I sold my rifle.

I want another AK. Tops (and this pushing it), I have $600 to spend. Classic Arms has a mixed breed Polish/Romanian for sale at $549. Total with SH and FFL would run me around $585.

This AK appears to have a Radom made reciever, trunnion, and chrome lined barrell. The rest of the build seems to be from Romanian parts. Numbers obviously will not match. This is of little concern to me as long as it is a good, reliable shooter.

I really like the idea of a Polish made reciever and Pole made chrome lined barrell.

Anyone have personal experience with this rifle? $600 is the very top I can spend at this moment. I know some will say to try and save the "few" hundred more and purchase Arsenal again. That very well may not be possible. I am stretching on the $600, and will still have to act like I'm listening to the wife bitch.

Thanks
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I think it's a good buy. If that's what you can afford, you won't hear me tell you to anger the little woman any further by buying an Arsenal. Pole receivers are good along with the CL barrel, Romanian stuff isn't bad as of late, so sounds like you may have a solid, reliable rifle in the works. I'm intrigued why they're selling frankenguns, but I won't kick the AKM gift horse in his Polmanian mouth!

Edit to Add: Review from purchasers, those with the hands on stuff, seem to really like it. What are you waiting for! It looks as though they are running a package deal on WASRs with extras for $499, but I would not tempt fate and go with the Polish.
 
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I'm debating getting one of these as well. I would just strip it and alumahyde the finish so that it's even (that's the big complaint I've seen since some parts are Romy and some Pol). But, the thing that's keeping me from getting one is the letter the importer wrote over on arfcom stating that they will soon be importing 'all Polish' guns. Not sure if he's just saying that to calm the herd that was so mad when the franken Pol guns showed up or what...?

But, these days, $549 isn't a bad price for an AK with a new com bloc chrome lined barrel...
 
Thanks guys. I just wanted to know if anyone knew of any real problems with these. The Pole made reciever and Polish CL barrell (along with the price) really do appeal to me.
 
they stopped selling these at lest temporarily due to quality issues.. I want one too... give us a report once you get one.
 
As long as it's not a Pokemonean AK-47. :neener: I know at least one other person here was thinking that.

Or would that be a rifle for shooting Pokemons? If so, that would be a good thing.
 
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they stopped selling these at lest temporarily due to quality issues.. I want one too... give us a report once you get one.
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From the look of it, wasn't quality issues. The rifles were tested, at least one that's commented on, but never wholly inspected by the dealer. Quality was there, but the rifles weren't 100% Polish, and therefore the temporary halt in sales due to misadvertisement. That's cool of them to drop prices and offer refunds. Plus, got a nifty flash hider on them.
 
Question?...Are these the same stamped reciever rifles offered on Centerfire for $599? Centerfire states: Polish mfg., CL Barrell, wooden stock set, for $599.

If these are the same, it would appear Centerfire needs to come clean and get with the program like Classic.

By the way...Anyone know why Atlantic Firearms always seem to be more expensive than other sites? They appear to have a very nice selection, but their prices are $50 to $150 higher (depending on the firearm) than anyone else's prices. Add to that their $25 shipping on long guns and your local ffl and you have a pretty significant price increase.
(I realize this question should possibly be in a different thread)

Is their CS that much better???

Thanks
 
If these are the same, it would appear Centerfire needs to come clean and get with the program like Classic.
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Yeah, but unlike Classic Arms, Centerfire Systems didn't actively lie about the Romanian origin of most of the parts. Before they changed it, Classic Arms' ridiculously verbose description claimed:

As such, these rifles, much like the Romanian WASR-10's and the Bulgarian SLR's are imported as an intact ready to fire rifle but with a narrow magazine well and a 5 or 10 round magazine. Once the rifles are stateside, the importers store them in a bonded warehouse where they are brought into compliance with what is commonly referred to as Section 922r. Basically sec 922r states that for a rifle to be considered U.S. Made it must contain a certain number of U.S. Parts. Once that part count is met, then the rifle can legally accept high cap ( Above 10 Round ) mags and drums as well as having military characteristics like muzzle breaks etc.

In the case of this Pioneer Arms Polish AK Rifle the U.S. Parts added and or replaced are as follows, the polish trigger group is replaced with a U.S. made G-2 3 piece trigger set by Tapco, the muzzle nut is removed and a U.S. made 45 degree compensator is added , the original grip is replaced by a U.S. made Molot style pistol grip, and the rifle is fitted with a U.S. made 30 round mag. Once the internal parts are added and the rifle has been brought into compliance, the magazine well is opened up ( typically on a C & C machine ) and the rifle will now legally accept high capacity AK mags. The remainder of the rifle in it's entirety including the receiver, barrel, furniture, and all other parts of the base rifle with the exception of the U.S. parts listed above were manufactured and assembled in Radom Poland.

Now to the quality. Polish made firearms have long had a reputation for extremely high quality workmanship and attention to detail. This rifle is no exception. The fit and finish are very nice. The wooden furniture has an expensive heavy look with a deep gloss finish. The blue is really consistant and highly polished. The rivets are all nicely seated and smooth with none of the gouges or hammer marks some times found on others. The action is smooth and the trigger is crisp. Bores and chambers are chrome lined. To sum it up, just a really nice AK. I would compare this rifle quality wise to the Bulgarian Stamped AK rifle but at a much lower price point.

So does it justify the extra money. Well, It depends. I have always contended that an AK, is an AK, is an AK. By that I mean that from the lowest priced one to the highest priced one virtually all AK rifles will throw a bullet down range reliably, at a high rate of fire, with a fair degree of accuracy. After that the difference are simply in fit, finish and general cosmetics. I like to call it the difference between a Chevrolet and Cadillac. Both will get you to the same place at the same time, but one will be a little more enjoyable to drive and have a little more style. Our baseline Romanian rifles are Chevrolets. They are rugged, reliable, highly affordable, and they function and shoot great....Still, there is a step up, and that would be to the Polish AK. These polish rifles are Cadillacs and for a little difference in cost some some folks would rather ride in style. If you are a Cadillac Man, then this is your rifle.
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http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=4&f=95&t=143840&page=2

It wouldn't be the first time Classic Arms let their imagination get the best of them.
 
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OKIE , We try to price our products a low as possible & still stay in buisness but are not worried about being the CHEAP GUY . Some of our prices are actually as low or lower than some of our competitors other prices are higher . We also offer try discounts to members of HR and do not charge 3 % credit card fees. If you purchase a item from our firm you will find we will stand behind the product . We do apprecaite you considering our product lines and if we can help you in the future please email us direct with what you are looking for and your HR user name.
 
Atlantic,

Thank you for your reply. If you will let me know (either open forum or PM) who to ask for. I will call you tommorrow about placing an order. I have an interest in 3 (possibly 4) different firearms that you list on your site.

If possible I would like to purchase at least one of these firearms right a way.

I see from your site, that you are out of the IAC "Maadi". Too bad as this seemed like a beautiful rifle. I would like to discuss (briefly) the merits of the Pole/Romak vs. the M&M M10.

Thank you much,

Gunner
 
The IAC rifles we never ALL MAADI rifles that is a myth spread around the internet . The IAC rifles are made from AK parts not a parts kit. We hope to see more IAC rifles in 4 -6 weeks . We will be looking for your email and please let us know you are a High Road member.
 
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