Police/CCW

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

Certain states, like Michigan, have "pistol free zones" like hospitals, movie theaters, .gov buildings, etc, and I think all states prohibit CCW in schools, classrooms, or dorms. My question is; are police officers exempt from all of these areas? I know that police are allowed to CCW nationally because of their status as LEO, but do they have to follow the same area restrictions as the rest of us? Does it vary state to state? Would say, an off duty cop be allowed to carry at his sons high school football game? Or a cop attending night classes at a college? Those kind of situations.




Also, if you want to comment on how it's wrong that police have national CCW and we can't, just don't. I'm not looking to start another tired anti-LEO argument.

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

I think all states prohibit CCW in schools

Utah doesn't.

However, as far as it varying from state to state, Utah has code that specifically exempts LEOs from most restrictions.

 

[Jeff White]

Officers carrying off duty and out of state are bound by the same restrictions CCW holders are in that state. They are subject to whatever applicable laws there are for peace officers in their home state.

Jeff

 

[TheGrouch]

Jeff,


Since we're on the subject. Are off-duty/retired police allowed to carry in states where there is no application process for CCW permits (Illinois for example).

 

[dogrunner]

Read 218, Officers (including retired such) are NOT bound by the same restrictions as licensed carriers are in their respective states. A LEOSA carrier, is not, for example, required to notify an officer he's armed upon being stopped, he's not required to pack in a holster (per Georgia law), he can carry concealed in a Va. restaurant, just to give a few examples of specific state regs. Plus various other proscriptions also don't apply, but to understand you need to read 218....in some instances a LEO (rtd too) would be ahead to carry under a ccw lic. but mostly he's better off utilizing the Federal law. What is highly questionable is the status of a hi-cap piece in restrictive states plus the N.J. prohibition on hollow points, likely any officer'd be well advised to avoid those issues, tho I doubt any cop'd make an issue you might find yourself up against it if you had to use that HCHP stoked piece.

In addition, any qualified LEO/Rtd LEO can carry in ANY state or U.S. possession regardless of local law.

 

[Art Eatman]

taurusowner, these laws will vary from state to state. Some states are as Jeff said; others (I've read, years back) operate on the basis that a policeman is never off duty. (I guess he's "off shift".)

There's no "one size fits all", not by any means.

Art

 

[isp2605]

As dogrunner explained, LEOSA is very specific what restrictions/limitations can be placed on active and retired LEOs.
LEOSA specifically lists the limitations as:
"This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that--
(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property;
or
(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park."
One dept attorney tried to argue that if a state wanted to extend the limitation then it could prohibit LEOs/retired from carrying upon any highway in a state, arguing that the highway could be considered "government property". During further research with the authors of the bill it was pointed out to said attorney that the intent of LEOSA was not to include such a narrow interpretation and they did not consider a highway to be their intent using the term "property".

 

[sithanas]

Certain states, like Michigan, have "pistol free zones" like hospitals, movie theaters, .gov buildings, etc, and I think all states prohibit CCW in schools, classrooms, or dorms. My question is; are police officers exempt from all of these areas? I know that police are allowed to CCW nationally because of their status as LEO, but do they have to follow the same area restrictions as the rest of us? Does it vary state to state? Would say, an off duty cop be allowed to carry at his sons high school football game? Or a cop attending night classes at a college? Those kind of situations.

In Michigan, yes. Also someone with a Private Investigator permit, though they must have a CPL in addition to their PI license.

 

[Thek9]

I understand CCW "In" Schools. No problem with that. What about on side walk outside (Public Side walk) or parking lot while picking up child.


T-

I've read the Florida Law. I believe it to be un-difined open to interpretation.

 

[gunsmith]

NJ is wierd

What is highly questionable is the status of a hi-cap piece in restrictive states plus the N.J. prohibition on hollow points

My brother , a NY cop can not carry JHP in NJ unless he is on duty (he works in multi jurisdictions on a drug task force)
Off duty he hardly ever carries, there is a no beer while packing rule in his dept

I've scolded him a million times but to no avail, he is probably a anti but wont admit it so we don't argue at family functions.

Like every cop who was in Rudy's admin when he took over from that Dinkins (expletive deleted) he thinks Rudy walks on water.

 

[Coronach]

My brother , a NY cop can not carry JHP in NJ unless he is on duty (he works in multi jurisdictions on a drug task force)
Off duty he hardly ever carries, there is a no beer while packing rule in his dept

That might be his PD's policy, but it is not the law. HB218 says he can, but his PD is free to adopt rules that are more restrictive than the law.

Mike

 

[pax]

I think all states prohibit CCW in schools

Oregon does not.

I understand CCW "In" Schools. No problem with that. What about on side walk outside (Public Side walk) or parking lot while picking up child.

Depends on the state.

Here in WA, for example, it is specifically legal to carry concealed with a permit while picking up or dropping off a child. That is generally understood to mean that you can carry in your car while driving through the lot or waiting for your child, but you must leave the gun locked safely in the vehicle if you need to go into the building to fetch your kid.

pax

 

[JLStorm]

I think you would be ok no matter where you were. I highly doubt you would ever find an officer that would give another officer a hard time for carrying under HR218 anywhere where that an on duty officer could carry, no matter the state.