Police raid high school; place kids on floor at gunpoint.

cordex · Nov 7, 2003

Not having the benefit of training or experiance Sir, you have missed some glaring waring signs in the article.

*shrug* Perhaps. Wouldn't be the first time.
In that case, I guess my school must have had a "serious drug problem" too.

Thankfully, the local police didn't resort to the same methods these have.

HankB · Nov 7, 2003

jimpeel: "So having the firearm unholstered, at low ready, is NOT gunpoint"?

No Jim, it's not.

Hmmm . . . I'm licensed to carry a concealed firearm. If I'm in contact with someone who annoys me and I draw my sidearm, I'm in deep trouble, REGARDLESS of whether or not I point it at the annoying party. "Brandishing" is probably the least of the charges I'd face.

Mike Irwin · Nov 7, 2003

Massive levels of violence surround the drug trade in this nation, and MUCH of it is perpetrated by people under 20 years old.

In the past year in Washington, DC, there have been, IIRC, over a dozen drug-related shootings in which the shooters have been under the age of 18.

This ain't Mayberry anymore.

Oleg Volk · Nov 7, 2003

Home schooling sounds better and better. Pity that the mere mention of drugs makes some people side with the government, right or wrong. The term "drug dealer" makes some people want to kill them, a PR success which the USSR would have envied...even their citizens weren't eager to kill people who provided desired goods through the "black" free market. Drug dealers who commit other crimes (such as murder) are obviously no good, but I would think violence would be as bad for that business as for any other, so I doubt that real drug dealers act as the TV variety does. TV jut doesn't have a good record when it comes to accuracy.

Master Blaster · Nov 7, 2003

The suspected group of about 10 students comes to school in early buses. Tapes show a network of lookouts, Aarons and McCrackin said.

Arrive early say 10 minutes before the bus arrives, or have the police board the bus before it gets to the school, hard for a lookout to be effective if this is done right.
Haul the 10 suspects into the office as soon as they arrive and search their bookbags lockers and persons. Have a police officer present.

You dont conduct a swat raid on a school, and point loaded guns willy nilly, over a couple of suspected doobers.

If this happened at my children's school I would be requesting that the pricipal be retired at the next schoolboard meeting.

Drugs should not be tollerated at school, but neither should Gestapo tactics.

Since its obvious who the providers are only they should be subjected to a search and appropriate action.

I guess that there are some on this board who would drop a mortar round on the school and then have an army repell out of helicopters onto the roof.
over suspected weed sales.
:barf:

Mike Irwin · Nov 7, 2003

That's just it, Master, there's NO indication of guns being pointed "willy nilly..."

ballistic gelatin · Nov 7, 2003

When I was in school....if a group of cops with guns drawn came erupting into both ends of said hallway. I would hi-tail-it outta' there through a window or any other exit. Remove myself from the threat. That's how I feel when I read the article, threatened that is.

Augustwest · Nov 7, 2003

Massive levels of violence surround the drug trade in this nation...

Little bit OT, but I hope folks realize that the reason the drug trade is violent is because it's illegal.

Just like the booze trade under Capone and his ilk was violent.

Generalizing a little bit, but it isn't drugs that create violence, it's bad people and bad laws.

And the likelihood of a high school kid shooting a cop so that he doesn't get nailed for a dime bag, or whatever they're selling these days? Nilish, I bet.

jimpeel · Nov 7, 2003

Drugs in house
Drugs in the school hallway

Weapons suspected in house
Weapons suspected in hallway

Information/ history says drugs/ possibly weapons in house
Information/ history says drugs/ possibly weaponsin hallway

Mike Irwin · Nov 7, 2003

"And the likelihood of a high school kid shooting a cop so that he doesn't get nailed for a dime bag, or whatever they're selling these days?"

Two or three years ago in DC that exact thing happened.

Sportcat · Nov 7, 2003

Where's does it say the cops went "running through the school?"

Also, it is not like the cops were there for their health - they were asked to come in and take of a drug and violence issue.

submin · Nov 7, 2003

How much more freedom are we going to surrender to this stupid â€˜war on drugs?â€™ I find it hard to believe that this is anything more than a show of force and mental-conditioning on the part of the police. The type of violence that the police expected/feared(?), in this case, is a result of drug laws, not drugs themselves. Land of the free, home of the brave my a$$.

What ever happened to good police work? Could not these 10 young citizens have been arrested as they got off the bus or at the bus stop?

No. This was a show of force. To get them off school property wouldnâ€™t achieve the desired effect, which I believe, was to terrify the student body and justify higher departmental funding.

How much is enough for the war on drugs? Another $100 billion (much of which going in the pockets of dealers/financiers of the trade)? The RKBA? Personal property rights? In my opinion, which, admittedly doesnâ€™t carry much weight, we reached the point of diminishing returns on day one.

jimpeel · Nov 7, 2003

TheeBadOne

A question Sir. Do you object to the search for drugs period, or just the conduct of the Officers doing the search?

Both. Warrantless searches are not a component of the age of the suspect. The Fourth Amendment covers all Americans from birth.

The actions of the officers were inappropriate at best; and terroristic at the worst.

Jonesy9 · Nov 7, 2003

marijuana? that's nuts. glad no one got accidently shot.

Augustwest · Nov 7, 2003

Two or three years ago in DC that exact thing happened.

In a roomfull of witnesses, with other cops around to avenge their fallen comrade?

jimpeel · Nov 7, 2003

Prohibition of the twenties gave us the violence we enjoy today. The Mafia, mob, gangs -- take your choice of vernacular -- were born of prohibition and they live with us today.

Prohibition was a failure then and it is a failure now. The only difference is that people then were sensible enough to admit they were wrong.

Prohibition breeds violence -- PERIOD!

Sportcat · Nov 7, 2003

Warrantless search??? Did you not read about the problems they were having at the school?

jimpeel · Nov 7, 2003

Sportcat

Warrantless search??? Did you not read about the problems they were having at the school?

Oops! I forgot. No warrant needed if the kids are on government property where all civil and Constitutional rights are suspended.

My bad.

winstonsmith · Nov 7, 2003

If you can't blame guns for killing, then you can't blame violence on drugs. Or rap music, or tv, or video games, or anything.

Sportcat · Nov 7, 2003

Do you mean warrantless... not having a warrant, or

warrantless... nothing "warranted" a search

ballistic gelatin · Nov 7, 2003

Heck, I bet the newspaper even had a pic of the Chief of Police standing in the hall next to one of the K-9 units. Headline could read, "POLICE DRUG RAID YIELDS POSITIVE RESULTS"

Baba Louie · Nov 7, 2003

Force Continuum?

Why "unholster" anything for a group of (reading between the lines here) compliant teenagers unless it was to emphasize immeditate potential for use of handguns by Police, thus immediate compliance?

Drugs are a problem in schools.

A Police State is a problem anywhere.

But if you're going to prohibit something you gotta get the necessary enforcement tools and use em.

Too bad they didn't find anything.

Makes me wonder if any other crimes were committed in the town during the same time frame that might have been a better use of Police Agency.

But I'm sure that those kids learned a lesson or three that day.
1. Something about trusting Law enforcement officers.
2. There's ways to beat any system
3. Big brother is definitely a part of your life from this point on.

Adios

Mike Irwin · Nov 7, 2003

"In a roomfull of witnesses, with other cops around to avenge their fallen comrade?"

And that sort of situation has stopped OTHER drug dealers/users from opening fire in similar situations how?

Oh, wait, it hasn't.

Face it, folks.

The Ritchie Cunningham days of cute, freshfaced students taking apples to the teacher are OVER.

Some of these little ????s are far more violent than their older cohorts.

As for warrantless searches, I'm not sure, but I seem to recall a Supreme Court ruling some years ago that allows locker searches sans warrants as long as a school administrator gives permission (guardian ad litem, or something like that), and also gives police and school administrators BROAD discretionary & search powers while the students are on school property.

submin · Nov 7, 2003

Prohibition was a failure then and it is a failure now. The only difference is that people then were sensible enough to admit they were wrong.

Prohibition breeds violence

Thumbs up to you, sir.

TheEgg · Nov 7, 2003

Jack Booted thugs on a mission. :barf:

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