police shoot security guard

[old lady new shooter]

We often talk about making sure we're not doing something that would cause arriving police to mistake us for the BG. In this case, an armed SECURITY GUARD holding BG for police, was killed. The article doesn't mention whether he was uniformed, but I have to assume he wasn't. I understand why Secret Service wear plainclothes, but a security guard at a bar? What would be the thought process that would find that preferable?

I remember once before I left Cali I went to a different branch of my bank and saw a guy in street clothes standing at the door, so I moved my wallet and phone from my purse to under my clothes before exiting my car, just in case. When I reached the door he opened it for me and I realized he was a security guard. I didn't understand why they wouldn't have a uniformed guard, and honestly I also don't understand why a bar wouldn't.

Here's the article:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/cop-accidentally-kills-security-guard-at-bar-in-chicago-suburbs

 

[Slamfire]

A Club bodyguard is acting correctly and the Cops come up and shoot him! Who are the good guys? who are the bad guys? Why call the Cops if they are going to open fire on the good guys?

Anyone remember this? A guy pulls out his wallet and is shot 41 times by the Police.

Body cams and cell phones are making it harder for the Cops to create stories that blame the victims

 

[MTMilitiaman]

A Club bodyguard is acting correctly and the Cops come up and shoot him! Who are the good guys? who are the bad guys? Why call the Cops if they are going to open fire on the good guys?

Anyone remember this? A guy pulls out his wallet and is shot 41 times by the Police.

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Body cams and cell phones are making it harder for the Cops to create stories that blame the victims

The problem is too much authority with an almost complete lack of accountability. Too many times these things happen, the cops disappear into a room full of cops, say they feared for their lives, and the investigation ends. I don't doubt they do a difficult and dangerous job will little in the way of appreciation. But the difference between authority and tyranny is accountability.

 

[SSN Vet]

I think the police (especially in a murderous and violent place like Chicago) are extremely on edge, all the time... in a manner unlike ever before.

I credit the whole Black Lives Matter and Blue lives don't mind set for this dynamic, as the police are watching their backs, and responding very, very quickly. They want to go home to their families after work and will risk prosecution before losing a gun fight.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" mentality applies to them as well?

My BIL is a state police detective and he is not going to serve one day past his retirement eligibility (and he's up in boony land). He put away an out of town drug dealer "enforcer" for 1st degree murder, and the scumbag tried to hire out a hit on my BIL from prison. So he's punching his ticket and leaving the state as soon as he can.

These guys can't win for trying.

 

[shafter]

Why was the security guard holding the perpetrator on the ground with his gun pointed at him? What was relayed to the 911 dispatcher? Did the security guard or bystanders call in the shooting? What was related by the dispatcher to the responding officers? Did the officers thing the perpetrator was kneeling on the security guard? This is a tragic example of why you should put your gun away before responding officers show up and not try to detain people.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I-940 passed here in WA. in the last election.

Initiative 940 was designed to create a good faith test to determine when the use of deadly force by police is justifiable, require police to receive de-escalation and mental health training, and provide that police have a duty to render first aid. It removed the requirement that prosecutors show that a law enforcement officer acted with malice to be convicted.

As a result of this, body cams and a contract dispute Seattle PD cops are leaving the force in large numbers.

https://www.policeone.com/patrol-is...-force-due-to-frustration-over-city-politics/

Of course the SPD refutes that but the experienced cops are leaving. You can't replace those people with an all woman/minority police force.

 

[Odd Job]

Police, being human, are prone to making mistakes.
If there is negligence involved, I hope it comes out in the investigation.
For now, we are light on facts and heavy on speculation.