Powder and Primers back order.

[Axis II]

Went to a large LGS today. He owns like 8 stores throughout my state and one has an entire basement just for reloading and the man who runs the reloading area is like a 20yr employee. Well someone asked about shotgun primers and why other primers are $10-13 per 100 and he said they cannot get any shotgun primers and had some coming from Winchester but they put a stop on them for some reason and said don’t place anymore orders. He said they talked to Hodgdon Friday and they said things will get worse before they get better because they can’t keep up. He said they were getting primers in a little better the last month or so and now they are told they cannot place anymore orders for primers or certain powders.

I didn’t post this for it to turn into a mess. Just wanted to inform people what suppliers are telling everyone.

 

[IMtheNRA]

He's full of it and should leave that basement once in awhile. Take a look at the components availability thread at the top of the page. You'll see the shotgun primers link for $70 per thousand. Lots of Hodgdon powders are becoming available almost daily.

 

[lowcountry308]

I can believe that things will get worse. Saw a letter recently from somewhere, can’t remember where that was sent out by Vista that gave price increases for each type of ammo and stated primers would not be sold next year.

How true that is anyone’s guess.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

When i was at the LGS on the 18th. He had plenty of powder in stock.

 

[CQB45ACP]

I can believe that things will get worse. Saw a letter recently from somewhere, can’t remember where that was sent out by Vista that gave price increases for each type of ammo and stated primers would not be sold next year.

How true that is anyone’s guess.

A letter from Vista? Anybody else see it? Let’s check their website. If Vista sent it, it’s true...that should be anyone’s guess. If Vista didn’t send it, it’s untrue...that should be anyone’s guess as well.

I think you have bum info, sorry or others would have reported it as well.

 

[CoalTrain49]

I'm going to take a brick of small pistol primers to my LGS and see if they will trade me a P-226 for those.

 

[lowcountry308]

A letter from Vista? Anybody else see it? Let’s check their website. If Vista sent it, it’s true...that should be anyone’s guess. If Vista didn’t send it, it’s untrue...that should be anyone’s guess as well.

I think you have bum info, sorry or others would have reported it as well.

did a little digging and found it on the RMR facebook group.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Went to a large LGS today. He owns like 8 stores throughout my state and one has an entire basement just for reloading and the man who runs the reloading area is like a 20yr employee. Well someone asked about shotgun primers and why other primers are $10-13 per 100 and he said they cannot get any shotgun primers and had some coming from Winchester but they put a stop on them for some reason and said don’t place anymore orders. He said they talked to Hodgdon Friday and they said things will get worse before they get better because they can’t keep up. He said they were getting primers in a little better the last month or so and now they are told they cannot place anymore orders for primers or certain powders.

I didn’t post this for it to turn into a mess. Just wanted to inform people what suppliers are telling everyone.

Not surprising. Like I've been saying since last year, a lot of these feast or famine situations are regional - some are even locale driven - and tend to trend with population curves. Vista and Hodgdon groups have been saying since last Fall they are going to honor backorders for components but first they are going to honor box ammo orders, and they are prioritizing law enforcement orders. I think that's only right, to be honest. We'll get components locally when the backorders fill. The online retailers had consolidated contract orders that seem to be taking priority. Probably because they were in line first with quarterly orders.

Where I live we've been almost 90% famine. It's how things are. I know why - we have so few reloaders who buy locally - so it's not changing soon around here. If your locale is also mostly famine, think about why that might be: are you in a large population area where reloading components have traditionally sold well? What about box ammo? Has it typically sat collecting dust or moved off the shelves pretty steadily?

 

[Beancounter81]

did a little digging and found it on the RMR facebook group.

I interpret the Vista letter to mean that they will honor existing primer orders but since they already have a gazillion unfilled orders, they will not accept any new ones until further notice.

 

[bluejay75]

The local and regional thing is showing itself in my area. One distributor has hundreds of cases of primers listed on Gunbroker and has not sold a single primer locally. Since they are the biggest they get more than the smaller stores that sell in storefront in minutes. I did find a place 65 miles away that has premium primers on the shelf every day at about MSRP+25-30%. Or 50-65 dollars a brick. Some places are really abusing the regional distribution systems.

 

[Mosin77]

I interpret the Vista letter to mean that they will honor existing primer orders but since they already have a gazillion unfilled orders, they will not accept any new ones until further notice.

I agree. The thought process is undoubtedly “Guys you already have 10 orders with us, don’t place more till we have filled those.” It’s hard for a supplier to gauge true demand when their dealers place multiple large orders with every distributor they can, and may be apt to cancel 2/3 of them if a few get fulfilled (or their liquid capital is suddenly devoured.)

 

[CQB45ACP]

I agree. The thought process is undoubtedly “Guys you already have 10 orders with us, don’t place more till we have filled those.” It’s hard for a supplier to gauge true demand when their dealers place multiple large orders with every distributor they can, and may be apt to cancel 2/3 of them if a few get fulfilled (or their liquid capital is suddenly devoured.)

I sent an inquiry to investor relations asking for a clarification on that point. In one para they raise prices 15% and the next they won’t sell em at any price. I’m also asking if this applies to all three product lines (it is three right?)

Got an out of office message.

 

[CQB45ACP]

did a little digging and found it on the RMR facebook group.

Thank you

 

[Mark_Mark]

i’m not looking for primers or powder. We waited 1.5 years and I can wait longer. They had a few bottles at Cabelas, I just walked pass.

Buy Guns that you want, they are plentiful and ok’ed-ly priced

 

[CQB45ACP]

i’m not looking for primers or powder. We waited 1.5 years and I can wait longer. They had a few bottles at Cabelas, I just walked pass.

Buy Guns that you want, they are plentiful and ok’ed-ly priced

I could walk past powder but not primers... I did see a couple guys digging footers in my backyard...they wouldn’t answer when I asked if a primer factory was going in.

 

[CQB45ACP]

I agree. The thought process is undoubtedly “Guys you already have 10 orders with us, don’t place more till we have filled those.” It’s hard for a supplier to gauge true demand when their dealers place multiple large orders with every distributor they can, and may be apt to cancel 2/3 of them if a few get fulfilled (or their liquid capital is suddenly devoured.)

They may change their bus model and sell directly to consumers...wouldn’t that stop over ordering by wholesalers?

 

[lowcountry308]

I interpret the Vista letter to mean that they will honor existing primer orders but since they already have a gazillion unfilled orders, they will not accept any new ones until further notice.

valid point!

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

They may change their bus model and sell directly to consumers...wouldn’t that stop over ordering by wholesalers?

No. Wholesalers are consumer's too.
History hath shewn, one cannot stop grift by introducing graft.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I could walk past powder but not primers... I did see a couple guys digging footers in my backyard...they wouldn’t answer when I asked if a primer factory was going in.

I think the footers were not pressured treated, small delay in the factories.

 

[Varminterror]

Just wanted to inform people what suppliers are telling everyone.

In fairness, your post isn’t “what suppliers are telling everyone,” but rather what ONE RETAILER is telling YOU.

Call these folks yourself, have an FFL and a business license number ready to place an order. They’ll tell you they’re selling more than they can ship, and yes, some aren’t taking new orders until they clear their backlog, but the pipelines are flowing.

In many cases, it hasn’t been uncommon over the years for many, many products to be backordered for long delays, however, as long as you didn’t manage your business on a hand-to-mouth inventory schedule, and you ordered when you knew you would get the new delivery before you’d run out, rather than when you did, life was manageable.

JITD risk management is largely as much to blame for these supply shortages which failed to keep pace with demand surge as is Covid.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

In fairness, your post isn’t “what suppliers are telling everyone,” but rather what ONE RETAILER is telling YOU.

Call these folks yourself, have an FFL and a business license number ready to place an order. They’ll tell you they’re selling more than they can ship, and yes, some aren’t taking new orders until they clear their backlog, but the pipelines are flowing.

In many cases, it hasn’t been uncommon for many, many products to be backordered for long delays, however, as long as you didn’t manage your business on a hand-to-mouth inventory schedule, and you ordered when you knew you would get the new delivery before you’d run out, rather than when you did, life was manageable.

JITD risk management is largely as much to blame for these supply shortages which failed to keep pace with demand surge as is Covid.

We came close to running out of laundry detergent because my wife's preferred brand was not available in stores for almost a year. Turns out it was a shipping problem - raw materials, packaging, finished product, all parts of the chain were empty - and it's just now getting back on shelves, around here. Even Amazon was out for months, though. Having finished product sitting on docks because you can't get trucks on the roads has got to be frustrating for those manufacturers.

 

[Mark_Mark]

We came close to running out of laundry detergent because my wife's preferred brand was not available in stores for almost a year. Turns out it was a shipping problem - raw materials, packaging, finished product, all parts of the chain were empty - and it's just now getting back on shelves, around here. Even Amazon was out for months, though. Having finished product sitting on docks because you can't get trucks on the roads has got to be frustrating for those manufacturers.

Supply issues everywhere, Ivars Seafood is completely out of Polick. and are rationing condiments

 

[Rule3]

We came close to running out of laundry detergent because my wife's preferred brand was not available in stores for almost a year. Turns out it was a shipping problem - raw materials, packaging, finished product, all parts of the chain were empty - and it's just now getting back on shelves, around here. Even Amazon was out for months, though. Having finished product sitting on docks because you can't get trucks on the roads has got to be frustrating for those manufacturers.

But was there other brands of detergent available??

 

[Mark_Mark]

instead of P&P buy other thing that on sale. Last 2 weeks, I bought Lee App (second one), .223x2 dies, 9mm dies, bullet feeder, RCBS collet puller.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

instead of P&P buy other thing that on sale. Last 2 weeks, I bought Lee App (second one), .223x2 dies, 9mm dies, bullet feeder, RCBS collet puller.

Like I say, in any shortage of one thing, there is also a corresponding surplus of something else dependent on that one thing. When powder and primers are unobtainium, brass and bullets get cheaper.