President Trump Rejects Stronger Background Checks

[D.B. Cooper]

If he doesn't get the nomination it's because of orchestrated corruption of the process.

What do you think happened in 2016?

His "activists" won't like that. Some of them profess to have guns.

I don't know about the guns part, but hopefully they'll stay home...again.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I can guarantee you folks one thing though, if Trump wins we're going to see a social unsettling unlike anything we've seen for quite some time.

Make preparations now...

I honestly don't think that's going to happen. But if it does -- especially if it's with an Electoral College victory but a popular vote loss -- it will lead to a crisis of legitimacy not seen since the Civil War. Think Trump Derangement Syndrome is bad now? It will become 10 times worse.

I think both of you guys are pretty close to on the mark. When Trump won in 2016, I had to shut down my class for about 3 days. 16-18 yr olds came in crying...balling...in tears...

 

[AlexanderA]

He's not on our side. Or, if he is, his nick name should be Benedict Arnold. He may not be our outright enemy, as Obama was, and Clinton would have been, had she been elected, but he is certainly not our ally.

Ironically, if Hillary had been elected, we would not now have a bump stock ban. It would have been opposed unanimously by the Republicans in Congress.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

What do you think happened in 2016?


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Corruption of the election? Lol, that is one of the biggest jokes in recent political history. Yes there has always been some corruption in voting to some extent, but to say the presidential election of Trump was won from corruption is so laughable. Of course for the Democrats, they love to wallow in this. For them it was always which flavor of the week. It would go from every angle imaginable. The Russians of course was the reason, maybe Martians, and Trump did not officially win because he lost the Electoral Vote. All of this accomplished nothing for the Democrats other than make them look even weaker than they are. Always playing the Crying Game was disgusting. They just cannot seem to accept reality. They Lost!
Democrats if you want to win, stop the "Crying Game"

 

[AlexanderA]

I believe the Texas tower shooter, johnny I forget his name, too, killed his mother as well.

Killed his mother and his wife. He left a note saying he believed there was something organically wrong with him. Turned out he was right -- post mortem autopsy showed he had a brain tumor.

 

[SharpDog]

Ironically, if Hillary had been elected, we would not now have a bump stock ban. It would have been opposed unanimously by the Republicans in Congress.

There would also be no rifles to put a bump-stock on.

 

[AlexanderA]

Corruption of the election?

What happened in 2016 was simple -- people did not want Hillary to be president. It was an anti-Hillary vote, not a pro-Trump vote. Trump was the unwitting beneficiary. To most people, he was an unknown quantity -- while Hillary was known all too well. They were voting to upset the apple cart. (The same thinking will work against Trump in 2020.)

 

[Jeb Stuart]

What happened in 2016 was simple -- people did not want Hillary to be president. It was an anti-Hillary vote, not a pro-Trump vote. Trump was the unwitting beneficiary. To most people, he was an unknown quantity -- while Hillary was known all too well. They were voting to upset the apple cart. (The same thinking will work against Trump in 2020.)

That is a new one. Certainly not the reason I voted for Trump and I do not know where you were, but Trump was very well known before the election. Just curious, where the heck did you get that information? Sounds like more of the same class of arguments from Democrats looking for every reason under the sun to not accept the fact that Trump won because of every thing he stood for. He won because he was a strong leader. I will add your comment to the list of reasons why the Democrats lost. I have a long list already.

 

[AlexanderA]

There would also be no rifles to put a bump-stock on.

Nonsense. If Hillary had been elected, the political calculus was that no gun control would have passed. It would just have been a continuation of the lack of action under Obama. Furthermore, the House would have remained in Republican hands. (In 2018, it flipped due mostly to an anti-Trump vote.)

The election of Trump, in hindsight, will be seen as a huge setback for gun rights. That's because of the follow-on effects. The Trump presidency is causing a reaction that will sweep the Democrats into power, with all that implies for the gun issue.

 

[Deanimator]

What do you think happened in 2016?

He got shafted by his own side, six ways to Sunday, from the debate questions on down the line.

I despise him, but even people I despise can be shafted.

 

[Deanimator]

This is what I love about this site. Learn something every day. I had never heard this term before, although I was keenly aware of the starvations in both communist Russia under Stalin, and in communist China under Mao. Can't wait for the next time I get to teach comparative political systems to high school kids who often ask "Why do old people say Communism is bad?"

Assign them passages from "Harvest of Sorrow" and "Red Famine". They'll need to dig a twenty foot deep "safe space" and need a therapy rhino.

 

[danez71]

. It was an anti-Hillary vote, not a pro-Trump vote. Trump was the unwitting beneficiary.

While there is some truth in that... it's far enough away from the truth that it starts to become laughable.

Were all the votes he got during and through the primary not really for him ...but really anti HRC votes?

 

[danez71]

Nonsense. If Hillary had been elected, the political calculus was that no gun control would have passed.

Nonsense.

HRC is the queen of alternate interpretations of plain meaning definitions. The bump stock ban would be the leastof the worries.

And she would have had the full support of AG Kamala Harris.

 

[GEM]

Kip Kinkle in Oregon killed his parents.

We don’t need to discuss ideas that have little validity.

I fail to see why folks don’t get the point that you can’t trust the great leader. Do you forget that GWB said he would sign an AWB renewal. Romney was all for an AWB as was Dole. For SCOTUS, Berger and Bork said the Second Amendment is BS - this from conservative folks.

The issue isn’t who is a better candidate. It is that when your hero gets in you have to keep at them to insure they don’t turn on the cause.

What happened to progress on the issue? The HPA, reciprocity, the SAGA bill - the GOP couldn’t wait to ditch them. Ever see Trump tweet about that?

So hero worship and saying he is not Hillary doesn’t show progress or safety from negative actions. You should demand that his initial tweets about new laws cease, and he pushes a progun agenda. Or you can just be blind to behavior and continue the hero worship.

 

[SharpDog]

I fail to see why folks don’t get the point that you can’t trust the great leader.

It's not about trust, it's about who will be the best candidate (that can win) to protect our RKBA.

Select the best of those running and continue to keep pressure on them through our 2A organizations (especially the ones they are known to listen to) and continue the direct pressure through correspondence and phone calls on all of our representatives.

I fail to see the point of the hand wringing that "Oh no, no one is perfect so I'll just stay home" ....

I also fail to see the equivocation that since no one is perfect, they are all equal so voting for any of them has the same result re: RKBA

 

[GEM]

That was my point to continue to demand action and not to take negative action. Never said to stay home and not vote. Vote for the candidate whose opinions and actions suit you.

 

[Elkins45]

The only person in a position to protect RKBA is Cocaine Mitch...if we’re lucky. Like Trump, he only has to maintain a pro-gun facade until re-election, but unlike Trump he could potentially run for another more term beyond the next one. McConnell simply can’t get re-elected in Kentucky if he allows significant anti-gun legislation to pass.

 

[Duster340]

GEM nailed it. Candidates/Politicians will say what they need to get our votes. But ultimately they are to work for us, the people. We need to continuously remind and hammer them on the commitments they made to us. We give the marching orders.

Be well all.

 

[GEM]

Will McConnell push progun bills with the vigor and legislative tools that he uses for other items? Playing defense is not sufficient. That seems to pacify folks.

 

[danez71]

I fail to see why folks don’t get the point that you can’t trust the great leader.

....oh, for sure. In fact, it's not just with the great leader that I don't trust,,,,, All of them,,,, Their word is about as solid and goes as about as far, as snot in a hankerchief.

 

[Walkalong]

The real danger on guns is at the state level, and Trump can't do anything about that.

The real opportunities for us to gain ground is there as well. Don't be afraid to fight and win. If we don't fight we lose every time.

 

[BigBore44]

When Trump won in 2016, I had to shut down my class for about 3 days. 16-18 yr olds came in crying...balling...in tears...

How utterly pathetic. Young people (some of who could vote) that hadn’t been taught to deal with adversity in any way except to act like 2 year olds who just dropped their ice cream cone in a mud puddle. As a teacher, are you even allowed to question them why they were so upset and explain the actual facts? Or did you just have to coddle to them and give them safe space?

Seriously, it’s no wonder why our children are so screwed up. It’s certainly a different time than when I was in high school less than 20 years ago. Kids didn’t cry unless someone they actually knew, died.

 

[BigBore44]

The real opportunities for us to gain ground is there as well. Don't be afraid to fight and win. If we don't fight we lose every time.

Oklahoma is set to institute constitutional carry in less than a month. There was a petition to bring a bill to stop it. It failed 2 days ago by 40,000 votes. So you’re 100% right. States elections can provide major victories. But you gotta fight.

 

[Tommygunn]

Nonsense. If Hillary had been elected, the political calculus was that no gun control would have passed. It would just have been a continuation of the lack of action under Obama. Furthermore, the House would have remained in Republican hands. (In 2018, it flipped due mostly to an anti-Trump vote.)

I disagree with that --- atleast to the point that you cannot really predict what President Clinton 2.0 would do with regards to firearms. I was very surprised that, in eight years, President Obama did little or nothing about it.
Look at the spate of shootings and the reaction to them. Had we now had Clinton 2.0 I think a AWB would be nearly 100% inevitable, and possibly worse.

The election of Trump, in hindsight, will be seen as a huge setback for gun rights. That's because of the follow-on effects. The Trump presidency is causing a reaction that will sweep the Democrats into power, with all that implies for the gun issue.

This is pure crystal-ball poppycock that's only worthy of a soothsayer or charlatan clairvoyant. We don't know that.
Ronald Reagan was followed by George Bush the Elder, who, unfortunatly squandered his chances for a second term with his "no new taxes" pledge and subsequent flip-flop.
Certainly we will have a Democrat in the Oval Office in the future at some point. I only hope that by then, the party's flirtation with socialism will be dead and buried. I could deal with a JFK 2.0. But never a President A. O. C.

 

[GEM]

The state level is the biggest threat. That’s why I went to testify at the legislature and got on the tube in the big TX city local news and in the big papers!

There was a Congressional bill to stop state bans but the GOP spent more time on tax cuts and blabbing about Obamacare. Never saw any push for that.

SCOTUS might undo state bans but I don’t count on it, for various reasons.

Just for grins remember that the Socialist Dem, Bernie, is the one candidate repeatedly attacked as being a gun nut. Just makes me laugh. Heard Beto on the new TX gun laws. Blood in the street. He is an idiot.