Private sales from individuals to individuals prohibited in Austin, TX (merged)

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Welcome to California Texans. We've all told you it's coming. Stand tall Texas, and wake up Union.
 
HHmmmmmm....folks here are saying HEB....will check further....irregardless the Chief has used his office to put pressure on "somebody"....I'll find out who owns it....and who leases it from the owner....if anybody.
 
Texas Gun Shows

I would say someone needs to send this to the NRA home office. :cuss:
 
Dang...you know things are getting bad when Texas of all places starts pulling crap like this.


ONLY LICENSED FFL DEALERS will be allowed to set up and sell firearms at the N. Austin Show Location.

Hmmm...I wonder if trades would still be allowed?


"I'll trade you my AR-15."

"Don't you mean sell?"

"Nope, selling has been deemed un-Kalifornian like behaviour in Austin. But I will trade you my rifle for 800 sheets of green colored rectangular paper."
 
Sounds like the chief needs to be looking for a new job back in California. This would not go over well in my neck of the woods. Austin is the bastion of X-hippy folks in Texas. It has been that way for a long time.
 
Is there a law in Texas that STATES it is legal to transfer personal firearmes without an FFL, or is there simply no law making is illegal?

Regadless, we're guna show this police chief "how we do it in Texas".
 
A small firestorm erupted in the gun-owner community in Texas this past weekend. Visitors to the Austin gun show were met with this flier:

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Calls to talk shows created a firestorm. Texas firearms forums are outraged that this could happen. Charles Cotton, attorney and head of the Texas State Rifle Association, is investigating. There is nothing illegal which would otherwise prevent selling a firearm person-to-person in Austin, TX without an FFL doing an NICS background check.

Darwin Boedeker, owner and promoter of Texas Gun Shows (http://texasgunshows.net/default.aspx), went on the radio today for more than 2 hours to tell his side of the story about what happened. I'm pasting the show in YouTube radio broadcast segments below.

The Austin PD called Darwin to have a 2 hour meeting last Thursday. The building housing the gun show is owned by Wal-Mart and the primary lease holder is HEB. The HEB employee responsible for that building was there. There were several APD detectives and an ATF agent there. They told Darwin that they would like for him to follow their suggestions, which were to ban firearms sales except through FFLs. The police then threatened Darwin that there were pending investigations into his business for activity over the last 10 years of allegedly allowing sales to ineligible buyers. However, Darwin's business just started operating in Austin after a different company, Saxet Gun Shows, quit putting on shows in Austin. Darwin responded by asking them if they were aware that his company, Texas Gun Shows, is different than Saxet Gun Shows, which is who they were talking about. APD didn't even realize this and were confused for a bit. Then APD put pressure on the HEB representative, and together the APD, ATF and HEB representative told Darwin that he would not be allowed to open the show if he did not follow their recommendations, which were to create the flyer you've seen and ban sales that didn't accompany an NICS check.

APD and the ATF have no statutory authority to threaten Darwin and order him around like they did. Two of Darwin's biggest vendors canceled and he expects attendance to be down by over 50% next month. This guy needs our support. He is a 2nd Amendment supporter and is running a family business. The ATF and APD are basically destroying his business with their unlawful "suggestions". Nothing that he is doing is illegal. He is not charged with any crime, but the police are unlawfully threatening outside a court to literally shut down his business unless he does what they want. He said that he will not be able to stay in business if this continues. If you are around Austin, we need to go to the next show February 20/21 and not let them kill the Austin gun show. If you are not in Texas, be vigilant for the ATF and local police trying to do this in your town.

The police also made a big scene at the gun show to intimidate people. A vendor was placed in handcuffs by APD and lead through the crowd for everyone to see. He was taken outside but was later released and not arrested.

Interview today (say what you want about Alex, but he's a die-hard 2nd Amendment supporter and this is 100% not tin):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc-gFyPV3Dw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMc4kptEOvQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTC8S6LrzZM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOysmhE8jiI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciBeIf6piNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9lulja1tTs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqYad3NlPw
 
It sounds to me like these law enforcement officers need to lose their jobs over this. I hope the TSRA makes them miserable until this gets resolved.
 
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Dang...you know things are getting bad when Texas of all places starts pulling crap like this.
It's Austin. Home to many of TX's most ardent liberals. Add that the University of TX is there with the most liberal students in the state and it really isn't surprising that stuff like the op posted is happening there at all.
 
Dang...you know things are getting bad when Texas of all places starts pulling crap like this.

I hate to say it but the rest of the state has been calling Austin "San Francisco South" for many years now. This is not really reflective of the rest of the state.

I do expect however that TSRA and political pressure will make this go away fairly quickly. That's my prediction anyway.
 
The moron chief doesn't know what he's done, the guys will still be selling/trading, but it will be done in the restroom, or outside the facility in public.
The promoter of the show is the one to lay blame on, it must be a show rule, the law is certainly not on any books in TX.
 
The promoter of the show is the one to lay blame on, it must be a show rule, the law is certainly not on any books in TX.

How do you figure that? He was told that if he didn't go along with it he would have no place to rent to have the show. He's kind of caught in the middle here.

The Chief got buy in from the building owner, so that is the problem it seems.

HEB, that's the grocery store? Their phone should be getting beaten up if so.....
 
I do expect however that TSRA and political pressure will make this go away fairly quickly. That's my prediction anyway.

I certainly hope so.


I've known that Austin was liberal for as long as I've lived in Texas, I just didn't think they'd try to mess with the guns. But I suppose that Austin isn't really true Texas then. :(
 
Per Texas state law passed during the administration of Governor Mark White and signed by him, (Democrat) counties and municipalities do not have the lawful authority to impose any type of firearms restrictions. It can only be done on the state level. This legislation was referred to as pre-emptive legislation and was heavily supported by the NRA and TSRA. This was mainly to prevent a hodge podge of firearms restrictions from county to county or city to city that would have put Texas' large population of hunters in danger of being in violation of different laws (unbeknownst to them) while traveling to their favorite hunting spots. Some cities had previously tried to pass such laws and gun owners raised hell with the legislature. Also sales between private individuals is completely legal in Texas and no paper work is required. You must ascertain that the person that you are selling to is the proper age.

Having said all that, I find it hard to believe this actually happened even MOST police are smarter than that. The original post did say he heard it and didn't see it himself. Correct?
 
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Hell I sold a rifle in the parking lot of the Will Rogers Center in Fort Worth before going in to the gun show one day and then went ahead and paid the 5 dollar cover charge just to go in and look around.

There were police officers at the front door that obviously saw us making the transaction., I had a Ruger m77 in 257 roberts and a man had his young son try the gun on for size and bought it on the spot. I even threw in a box of ammo.
 
I'd like the OP to change the post title,, that scared the bejeepers outta me, thinking its all of Austin!!!
 
Is this why the SAXET Gunshow is no longer held at the Crockett Center in Austin? Last time I was there was december of '08 and have not seen advertisements in paper for a few months now.

MH
 
Well, I haven't liked the Austin gun show for a long time, but it looks like I'll be attending for the foreseeable future just to support the cause. Even if I go, pay my entry, and then walk right back out. I don't actually live in Austin proper so can't vote etc, but the new police chief is really hacking me off. I will say this, a request or suggestion from a Law Enforcement Agency does NOT carry the weight of law.
 
This affects the "normals" in Round Rock and elsewhere who attend the shows, so I'd put my wager on political pressure causing this liberal chief and/or the mayor who appoints him to cave on this one.
 
There's another thread on this that has solid information -
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=499162

This is what I posted there -
Well, I haven't liked the Austin gun show for a long time, but it looks like I'll be attending for the foreseeable future just to support the cause. Even if I go, pay my entry, and then walk right back out. I don't actually live in Austin proper so can't vote etc, but the new police chief is really hacking me off. I will say this, a request or suggestion from a Law Enforcement Agency does NOT carry the weight of law.

Maybe a moderator can merge the 2 threads?
 
Anyone from the Houston area up for a road trip to Austin for the next show? I think it'd be a great way of offering support to fellow gun enthusiasts and help put those that have no clue in their place.
 
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