Private University seizure of firearms

[Deltaboy1984]

Glad they got their guns back. IMO I would keep my head down and get my degree then I would never give them another dime.

 

[ngnrd]

Glad they got their guns back. IMO I would keep my head down and get my degree then I would never give them another dime.

And that's exactly why these types of policies are so prolific. Everybody just accepts them.

 

[Radagast]

Suffers them would be a better term. Kids in college, incurring massive debts to get a degree in the hope that it will be the entry to a better life, are generally not in a position to fight legal battles with the powers that be.
I doubt the two in the case we are discussing can afford to pay their lawyer at the moment.

 

[Pizzapinochle]

Their lawyer is working pro bono.

 

[Mike1234567]

What may be interesting is the impact on DONORS and especially ALUMNI DONORS.

Here is an avenue that pro-2nd-amendment folks in that area should beat the drum on.....

In my experience, Universities are ALL about the $$. Create a campaign to subtly reduce their donations because of their lack of support for "civil rights" and you will get more done quickly on our behalf.

I think this is an excellent point and maybe the best way to combat bad university policy... hit 'em where it really hurts... their wallet. However, this tactic could backfire depending on the beliefs of the biggest donors.....

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

You identified part of the issue yourself. If they decide to stick around Gonzaga for post-graduate work, they may well still be under probation.

And if they apply to another school for an advanced degree ... law school comes to mind ... they will be asked about any offenses or disciplinary issues that may have arisen. And not disclosing is cause to be expelled from law school (I have a friend who went through that sorry process several years ago). And disclosing this type of offense could take them out of the running for many top schools, law, medicine, etc ...

And, when I went through my own security clearance review many years ago, you bet the investigators were asking about any disciplinary issues / offenses in college .. as if they didn't already know.

I've been through many background checks myself, up to Secret with the occasional special security clearances required for certain deployments. Unless there are criminal charges somewhere, school problems that may be documented aren't likely to be an issue even if they're looked at/known about.

Smart people will keep documentation of something like this, with all the details, for future reference should it come up during a security interview. Any questions that come up during a security interview are simply answered truthfully and copies of any documentation provided to support it. And tis is only in the event they ask about school disciplinary issues in the first place. Either way, it's end of story.

And, having been to universities myself, never once did anything ever come up about previous offenses or disciplinary issues. Perhaps some universities pursue this avenue...but not any I know of personally. Maybe if I ever pursue an advance degree in something, this will become an issue. But I doubt it.


At worst, this issue is just a minor hiccup for these kids and nothing more.

We have probably heard the end of this. The students already got a fairly low-grade punishment for a clear violation of a serious school policy, the appeal might make a slight change, but nothing earth shattering. The students got their guns back and can finish school.

Moral of the story: When you sign something saying you will abide by a Student Code of Conduct (or any other contract), make sure you read and understand it, especially as it relates to firearms. If you don't like the policies, don't enter the agreement.

This about sums it up.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

What may be interesting is the impact on DONORS and especially ALUMNI DONORS.

Here is an avenue that pro-2nd-amendment folks in that area should beat the drum on.....

In my experience, Universities are ALL about the $$. Create a campaign to subtly reduce their donations because of their lack of support for "civil rights" and you will get more done quickly on our behalf.

Welllll...given that most university institutions are liberal enviroments, with the attendant support coming from more of the same, I rather imagine the bottom line impact will be appropriately negligable to them.

Just sayin'...

 

[docsleepy]

It can go both ways. Sometimes the folks who make all the money are quite conservative people! Small-business owners, house builders, scrap metal dealer's, the kind of folks you read about in the millionaire next door.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

^^^^

True that...I've a brother who's often pointed out that many people start out life as a political liberal...until they get older and figure out that "liberal" means other people are taking money from their pockets. Then they turn politically conservative.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

^ That's when you end up like me, fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

 

[Mike1234567]

^ That's when you end up like me, fiscally conservative and socially liberal.

Hah, hah... me too.

 

[akodo]

Turns out, this has already been mostly resolved.

Both students are on probation, meaning they are in classes etc. but if they have another violation of the student code of conduct, they are likely to be expelled.

They had a lawyer, no reports of ANY attempts to take legal action. The police officer who responded to their 911 call is reported to have testified on their behalf at the disciplinary hearing.

The student are appealing the probation through the university process, but not suing or anything like that.

Doesn't seem like the students or their lawyer think there was anything legally amiss and they are returning to school.

Lawyers are not expert on all aspects of the law. It may well be that the lawyer in question was Dad's tax attorney. Further, the attorney is acting on behalf of his clients. I suspect that the clients had the goal of continuing their education at that institute, so the lack of action against the policy and action of seizing the weapon doesn't mean anything.