pro-2a girls dating anti-2a guys???

[rattletrap1970]

Two things.
One - An anti 2a man isn't a man, he's a sheep.
Two - If you're a single woman who is pro-2A and want a real man, I'm single.

I tried that route years ago, dating a Woman who was very liberal. It for the most part doesn't work. People who say there is no place for politics in a relationship, I disagree. The kind of person you are and the things you hold dear influence your politics. Therefore, in most cases, you should be able to tell if you can get along with someone by their politics. That old adage, "Opposites Attract" might be true in superficial things, but politics embody your core beliefs and dating someone who is your political polar opposite will only cause strife.

 

[RimfireChris]

Some have said it's wrong to base your relationship decisions on one aspect of someone's personality, but if you look at it closer, everyone has a few things that are non-negotiable "deal breakers" when choosing a significant other. It could be guns, golf or any number of things.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

It is often an indicator of their broader views on individual civil liberties, self-sufficiency, and the role of active defense in personal security, all potential sources of conflict down the road. If a date isn't into guns, that's one thing, but if they are actively against gun ownership, self defense, etc. by those they deem "civilians", that's another thing entirely.

My sister's ex had a rather misogynistic view that women were inherently less competent with guns than men and shouldn't carry them, which didn't sit well with her (she's an engineer and I dare say can outshoot most LEO's). That issue wasn't what split them up, but his views on that issue were certainly representative of his broader views on gender roles.

IMO, if two people go out on a date and a significant incompatibility shows up, it is not out of line to decide to keep looking. For example, if you're physically active and like to be outdoors more than anything (running, bike riding, kayaking, the beach, whatever), you will probably be happier if you find someone who shares those interests rather than someone whose idea of a good time is to sit on the couch and watch reruns and wouldn't be caught dead breaking a sweat---at least if shared experiences are important to you.


They might not be happy with their partner/spouse/significant other CCW'ing or buying an AK/AR, though, or keeping a firearm loaded for defensive purposes, or teaching the kids to shoot, or whatever.

As to the sentiment upthread re: gender roles, guns are not a "macho thing" and dislike of guns is not a "feminine thing". The fact that U.S. society went through a stage in the 20th century in which gun competence was linked to stereotyped gender roles (a stage we're still coming out of) does NOT mean that such stereotyping is correct or universal. Women CCW'ing and shooting was much more common in the early 1900's than in the 1950's through the 1970's, so don't take that period as representative. Also, plenty of GLBT's like to shoot (and shoot well), and plenty of straight people don't; pacifism is not a GLBT trait any more than arrogance is a straight trait.

I was thinking along this reply but there is no way I could have said it that eloquently. I did the eHarmony thing to meet my significant other. She is Pro 2A and it does seem to be a good indicator on other views of other issues. In fact, she shoots better than me and I'm a decent shot. This actually warms my heart that she's better than me since I really don't see shooting as a competition between the two of us. When she shoots well, she knows my praise is genuine.

 

[Justin]

(1) Not everyone that favors gun control measures also insists on the government taking away your right to own a gun. Nor would a 2A opponent necessarily make their husband/wife get rid of their guns.

You show me someone who's in favor of gun control, yet advocates for rationalizing current gun regulations and/or repealing them and I'll eat my hat.

(2) I'm not disputing that, I'm just puzzled by people who choose their mates based solely on their stance on gun control.

I shoot competitively. At the height of the shooting season, I'm attending somewhere between six and eight matches a month, as well as working as an assistant match director at another.

I take two trips a year to attend large 3 gun matches that run for the better part of a week.

In short, in any given year, I invest a fairly large chunk of time and effort into shooting. As a result, I'm not interested in spending time with someone who would view such activities with a disdainful eye, or who would be likely to hold that against me.

I'm sorry, but life's too short to spend it with someone who would be incapable of understanding why I do what I do.

On top of that, the previous posts stating that a person's view on gun control are generally indicative of their views on other issues of personal liberty is also true.

 

[kayak-man]

Granted, this a gun website, but I couldn't help but notice an inverse relationship between how many posts deal with 2a girls dating Anti guys, and how many posts (mine included) end with "Any girls who like guns and are looking for a pro 2a guy should drop me a line."

That being said, I'm pro 2A,single, don't smoke, and play the guitar...

-Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

 

[Onward Allusion]

Trolling again?

So if someone will not even consider dating or marrying someone who is a smoker is closed minded??? Closed minded and a hypocrite???

Japman
The irony is that she herself is being close-minded by not being open-minded towards his views on gun control. The hypocrisy is stunning, and it is pretty sad that someone would choose whether to date a person based solely on their stance o gun control.

 

[Japman]

Trolling again?

So if someone will not even consider dating or marrying someone who is a smoker is closed minded??? Closed minded and a hypocrite???

Trolling? Please.

I'm just saying good luck finding a woman, when you basically disqualify 3/4 of them on the basis that the harbor anti-gun attitudes. If you're content to choose from the other 25%, more power to you because most women in this country harbor anti-gun views.

Out of the several women that I have dated since I began shooting, precisely 100% of them were either patently opposed to guns, proponents of some form of gun control, or deathly afraid of them. My current girlfriend hates firearms, but that doesn't prevent me from owning several gun and shooting them whenever I have an opportunity to. And although I am no fan of materialism, I don't interfere with her "hobby" of collecting designer handbags or expensive shoes.

You can learn a lot by respecting other people's views, that is all I am saying. The "if you don't agree with my my views on guns, I don't like you" mentality that is so predominate amongst gunowners is quite disheartening. Almost as as sad as accusing men that don't like guns of having gender identity issues...lol.

 

[Kim]

I have never met a man that is anti-gun. If I did I might just lay on the ground laughing hysterically.

 

[Erik M]

I never met or dated a female anti. My wife and I were raised on hunting and personal protection. In this area of the rural Bluegrass Anti-2a does not exist, and those with likeminded issues are sparse.

 

[Japman]

Yeah, because favoring gun control or being afraid of/not liking guns = socialism.

:jest:

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

because favoring gun control

Disarment of the people doesn't mean Socialism, it can also mean facism, tyranny, etc.

or being afraid of/not liking guns

This means that they just don't like guns or have the wrong idea about them.

 

[Japman]

Disarment of the people doesn't mean Socialism, it can also mean facism, tyranny, etc.

Thank you for proving my point.

This means that they just don't like guns or have the wrong idea about them.

Do I hear an echo?

 

[Old krow]

Disarment of the people doesn't mean Socialism, it can also mean facism, tyranny, etc.

Communism, let's not forget that one

Yeah, because favoring gun control or being afraid of/not liking guns = socialism.

Not liking guns does not equal Anti. It = vanilla instead of chocolate.
Being afraid of guns does not Anti. It = fear.

Circumventing the laws that founded the country in order to by-pass the protection offered by those laws to achieve your agenda of ultimately stripping peoples rights because you do not believe them capable of making their own decisions = socialism. By-passing the democratic process = anything but democracy, socialism, communism, tyranny, pick your flavor, but it isn't democracy.

My current g/f owns more handguns than I do. My last was anti. We got along fine for the most part. However, like was said in a previous post, the core values are considerably different between someone that believes in individual liberties and someone that does not. That is the fundamental problem, it isn't necessarily gun per se. Chances are, it will manifest itself somewhere else.

I suppose the absolute easiest way to deal with this all is....

As soon as the First Amendment is taken away, we'll all quite fussing about gun control Not because we'd agree with it, but because the 4th - 8th Amendments would no longer offer any protection for speaking up without the protection of the First.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

A lot of folks collect teachings they pick up from childhood and carry that worldview into adulthood. This doesn't mean they've given that particular worldview a stern review to see how it stacks up to other points of views out there. Once most people form these views, it usually takes a lot of prying to even get a person to budge because it's so ingrained. Much of it is also influenced by culture, your parents, your friends and peers, and the political leanings of the area you grow up in. It's not necessarily their own fault entirely and it takes a lot for a person to set aside something they've held their entire lives and accept a different possibility.

While my own individual biases might creep in when I hear someone's particular views, I try to engage them in discussion to see where it might lead. I'm not going to simply dismiss someone because their beliefs differ from mine because you'll be looking pretty hard to find someone that agrees with you 100% of the time on all issues. Some people can and do change. Then again, maybe I'm more patient than most and don't mind getting into debates with folks.

 

[BHP FAN]

http://www.cruffler.com/Features/APR-02/legal-April-02.html

 

[ulfrik]

hey wait a minute,why do they call themselves liberals? isnt liberal supposed to mean more freedom? if someone is liberal shouldn't they believe in people's liberty to own guns? i guess liberal= socialist totalitarian.

the right to bear arms is much more important than any day to day politics.

it is the right of all free people.

 

[Floppy_D]

I'm sorry, but life's too short to spend it with someone who would be incapable of understanding why I do what I do.

Amen Justin, and I think you've well summed up this discussion. You're an exception to the rule in that you compete/shoot a lot more than the average member here does; but it follows. I don't want to be "on trial" for living my life, with anyone. My wife likes to shoot, knows how to reload, and is a better pistol shot than I. We seldom make it to the range due to life and work getting in the way, but it's still a common ground we share. It isn't the fulcrum of our relationship, nor a topic of daily discussion.

I try to avoid getting "wrapped around the axle" on such.

 

[yeti]

It's pretty closed minded and hypocritical to try and tell anyone else why or how they should chose their prospective mate or on what grounds they can disqualify them.

I could no more choose an Anti then I could live with a Vegan, the conflicts would overwhelm the benefits.

 

[Onward Allusion]

I don't think it's any where near 75% of all women who are anti-gun. Keep in mind - you're in Chicago. Things are a little different over there. I know because I grew up on the South Side of that city.

Many women may be uneducated about firearms, but if you'd ask them would they protect themselves against a rapist with a firearm if they knew how to use one, I'd bet money that you'll find the majority saying yes. Of course, this is conjecture on my part.

I can only relate to you a personal experience on this issue. I'd married an anti once upon a nightmare. All her friends were anti's. I gave up much of my collection to keep the peace. The funny thing was, when Y2K was rolling around, she wanted my SA-83's in the house. The bottom line is that anyone marrying an anti should not expect to change them. BTW, I divorced that anti-b**** and got myself a new wife who is accepting of my hobby and even carries herself.

Japman
Trolling? Please.

I'm just saying good luck finding a woman, when you basically disqualify 3/4 of them on the basis that the harbor anti-gun attitudes. If you're content to choose from the other 25%, more power to you because most women in this country harbor anti-gun views.

Out of the several women that I have dated since I began shooting, precisely 100% of them were either patently opposed to guns, proponents of some form of gun control, or deathly afraid of them. My current girlfriend hates firearms, but that doesn't prevent me from owning several gun and shooting them whenever I have an opportunity to. And although I am no fan of materialism, I don't interfere with her "hobby" of collecting designer handbags or expensive shoes.

You can learn a lot by respecting other people's views, that is all I am saying. The "if you don't agree with my my views on guns, I don't like you" mentality that is so predominate amongst gunowners is quite disheartening. Almost as as sad as accusing men that don't like guns of having gender identity issues...lol.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Liberals aren't very open minded. If they were, then they would not want to impose their way of life on the rest of us, including gun control and a slew of sh** that the vast majority of Americans don't want.

ulfrik
hey wait a minute,why do they call themselves liberals? isnt liberal supposed to mean more freedom? if someone is liberal shouldn't they believe in people's liberty to own guns? i guess liberal= socialist totalitarian.

the right to bear arms is much more important than any day to day politics.

it is the right of all free people.

 

[JShirley]

There is nothing in this thread valuable enough to warrant the massive amount of staff work involved.

John